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Offline Roch

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Re: News of Extension...
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2011, 06:54:PM »
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ngb, do you agree there is a common misconception that people are tempted to fall back upon?  'Only Bamber knows what happened'  'Only Bamber knows the truth' etc. 

It seems to me rather that the entire defence campaign, from Jeremy Bamber to Mike Tesko to Ewen Smith, Barry Woods, GDS, to the current team, has all been about a journey trying to painstakingly piece together what happened. 

It becomes incredulous to believe that so varied and so great a number of professionals could allow themselves to be fooled by some arch manipulator, operating from his prison cell.

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Rochford  -  I agree with what you are saying here.  Of course if JB is guilty he knows what happened, but if he is not he is in the same position as his team in trying to work out exactly what happened, based upon the available evidence.  He has done a lot of the research work himself, assisted by Mike Tesko for a long period when he had little or no other support.  He is now assisted by his current team who are working with him to analyse the vast amount of material there is relating to the case.  They are of course tryng to obtain further material and are using experts to carry out further analysis of some of the evidence.  I do not believe that JB has been manipulating his advisors -to a large extent he is relying upon them to help him to piece this together.  As a separate point I am not sure he has always been well served by some of those advising him in the past.

I've not seen anything that persuades me to believe he knew what happened.  Much is made of the phone logs and the sequence of calls.  I think what needs to be considered is the issue of negation. 

Do any 'inconsistencies' with the call timings on the part of Jeremy Bamber, negate any 'evidence' which suggests that Sheila caffell was involved in an incident with Essex Police? 

Conversely, does any 'evidence' which suggests that Sheila Caffell was involved in an incident with Essex Police, negate any inconsistencies with the call timings on the part of Jeremy Bamber?

I think the one is more powerful than the other.  The call timings become almost an irrelevance, if there was an incident at WHF during the police presence there.

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Re: News of Extension...
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2011, 08:07:PM »
Hang on a second....
 
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September. 

Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.

I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it?  Cynical?

I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...

Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.

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Re: News of Extension...
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2011, 08:23:PM »
Hang on a second....
 
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September. 

Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.

I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it?  Cynical?

I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...

Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.

Well if we were talking about a Huntley or Sutcliffe or a Whiting or a Bellfield etc. then I would agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly.  However, this case is different.  I know the above examples are not ideally suited for a comparison because they are sexual killers.  I cant think of any relevant cases that involve murders for inheritance.  It's a puzzler for me this case.  I just don't get it. 
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Re: News of Extension...
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2011, 09:01:PM »
Hang on a second....
 
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September. 

Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.

I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it?  Cynical?

I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...

Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.
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