The Lucy Letby trial

[Hardy Boy]

I wonder how many babies we're talking about? If there was a Freedom of Information request I'm surprised the Defence didn't give the exact numbers if they were confident this information would exonerate their client.

I don't think your getting the Point Steve, they found out that Lucy wasn't even on duty when many [admitted it doesn't say how many]  the babies went downhill the fastest,  this was found out by the Hospital's own Audit.  One of the experts at the trial has now changed his mind about Lucy being responsible, so if one of the experts has changed his mind, how many Jury members would have changed their minds as well?

So Lucy's defense has always been their was wider issue's of the care of the babies at the Hospital, this could certainly back up her claim, could it not be a cover up by the Hospital and Lucy made into the scapegoat for the Hospital's failings, as someone pointed out, look at the Post Office scandal, why blame the Post Office when you can blame the Post Masters?   On this evidence, i think it's only fair she gets a new trial, it's the least she deserves.

[Steve_uk]

I don't think your getting the Point Steve, they found out that Lucy wasn't even on duty when many [admitted it doesn't say how many]  the babies went downhill the fastest,  this was found out by the Hospital's own Audit.  One of the experts at the trial has now changed his mind about Lucy being responsible, so if one of the experts has changed his mind, how many Jury members would have changed their minds as well?

So Lucy's defense has always been their was wider issue's of the care of the babies at the Hospital, this could certainly back up her claim, could it not be a cover up by the Hospital and Lucy made into the scapegoat for the Hospital's failings, as someone pointed out, look at the Post Office scandal, why blame the Post Office when you can blame the Post Masters?   On this evidence, i think it's only fair she gets a new trial, it's the least she deserves.

That would work if the hospital top brass were eager to prosecute, but they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to involve police, even apologizing to her along the way.

[nugnug]

from Sonia Poulton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4L_-Y008ak

[Steve_uk]

Does the latest revelation not unsettle the Letby supporters just a little..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lucy-letby-s-colleague-deeply-regrets-exchanging-messages-with-her-about-how-to-get-away-with-murder/ar-AA1tDh3T?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3bd0c27640ee4df39b505bfa2b0b93ac&ei=45

[Bubo bubo]

Does the latest revelation not unsettle the Letby supporters just a little..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lucy-letby-s-colleague-deeply-regrets-exchanging-messages-with-her-about-how-to-get-away-with-murder/ar-AA1tDh3T?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3bd0c27640ee4df39b505bfa2b0b93ac&ei=45

On the other hand we have some potential issues which are said to have played a part in the WHF murders. 'Funny handshakes' in the medical profession.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/21/judge-denies-he-was-asked-to-give-advice-about-letby-because-he-is-a-freemason

[nugnug]

we would a hospital boss be asking a jusge advicesurely theonly adice they needed was medical

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another video https://youtu.be/txxDeH9pS-8

[Steve_uk]

Do John and Susan have no doubts? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-letbys-parents-made-plea-30499272

[nugnug]

im not sure what that actully has to do with her guiilt or innocence

[Steve_uk]

im not sure what that actully has to do with her guiilt or innocence

Presumably the parents think they know their own daughter better than her work colleagues. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-letbys-warped-bond-parents-34199489#google_vignette

Middle class, though not intellectuals, it seems John had a leadership role at a furniture store, whilst Susan was an accounts clerk. It might indicate that Lucy was aware of finances and looking for a monied figure in her life. Was she the apple of her father's eye? Did she feel smothered and determined to move from the family environment at the first opportunity? Was she bored in her parents' presence?

I recall a text she sent them during Advent: Guess who's coming home for Christmas? It suggests she had not always spent the Christmas period with them, something I find very strange, as someone who had to move away for work purposes but would not have dreamed of staying away from close family at that time. Maybe she used her presence as an emotional weapon, just as she had to garner attention from the hospital staff for her purported heroism in dealing with the unfortunate baby deaths.

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from peter hitchens https://youtu.be/WKvzar1zN68

[Steve_uk]

from peter hitchens https://youtu.be/WKvzar1zN68

I suppose if there was a fingertip search of the house they would have to dig the garden up too.

In a spirit of fairness I post the fifteen reasons Eirian Powell, neonatal ward manager argues Letby's case:

1. There is no evidence whatsoever against LL (Lucy Letby) other than coincidence. LL works full time and has the Qualification in Speciality (QIS). She is therefore more likely to be looking after the sickest infant on the unit. LL also avails herself to work overtime when the acuity or unit is over capacity.


2. There are no performance management issues, and there are no members of staff that have complained to me or others regarding her performance.


3. I have found LL to be diligent and have excellent standards within the clinical area.


4. Whilst our mortality rate has risen in the January 2015-January 2016 we have had x3 mortalities from January 2016 to date (May 2016) x2 died due to congenital abnormalities.


5. Dr H (David Harkness) and Dr G (John Gibbs) (Consultant) appears to be involved in many of the mortalities.

6. The Cheshire and Mersey transport service have been involved in a few of these mortalities and they may have survived if the service was running adequately.


7. Alderhey’s children’s hospital’s failure in facilitating a cot also added to the complexities of these mortalities. If there had been a bed sooner the infant may not have died.


8. Some of the issues were related to midwifery problems.


9. Two of the babies PM’s diagnosed Congenital Pneumonia – transport team issue.


10. 4 babies had congenital abnormalities.


11. 1 maternal syndrome


12. 2 with necrotising enterocolitis.


13. 1 Overwhelming sepsis – transport team issue.

14. AHCH cot availability – 6 admissions between LWH/APH (Liverpool Women’s Hospital and Arrowe Park Hospital) and COCH (Countess of Chester Hospital).


15. Of all the post-mortem results there was no evidence of foul play.

[nugnug]

a bit more https://youtu.be/XBd6LRjJt9M

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the framing of Lucy Letby https://youtu.be/x6iPBaArctg

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the dodgy cops https://youtu.be/YjvFIrWa-08