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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2011, 05:42:PM »
I will get the wording of a petition put together and it would lovely to have you right at the top it would mean a lot that you are saying you would be happy to sign it if the wording is to your satisfaction or you might like to think of some wording you would be happy with yourself

I have my no 1 Ngb
And then Simon McKay would be no 2 helping as well I am absolutely we can come up with something to your satisfaction

You do try and personalise things too much Jackie. This has nothing to do with me whatsoever, you don't need to pander to my requirements.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2011, 05:45:PM »
I actually think Jackie hates anyone who dares, has the audacity, has the damn right nerve to even think let alone be convinced that Saint Jeremy of Full Sutton is a vile murdering scumbag!I don't know who would scare me the most in a dark alley, Bamber or Jackie!

PB - 1. Those who believe that Jeremy Bamber is the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice do not put him on a pedestal and worship him or describe him as a "saint".

       2. Do you think it really adds anything to the debate to keep repeating language like "vile murdering scumbag" as a description of Jeremy Bamber?  We are well aware of your view of him.

       3.  Are you simply trying to get a reaction when you goad other forum members like Jackie?  How does that assist the debate in any way?

 

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« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2011, 05:58:PM »
Hartley I am not trying to personalise things at all but I have asked every single one of any anti bamber people on this forum the same question about should all information be released Joolz for one and if they have answered yes I can see no reason why anyone would not want to sign a petition

I have even mentioned the Eatons I have met the daughter a few times but no Ann but I am quite happy to go and nock on her door to ask her to sign a petition

You cant bleet on about Jeremy keep going to the ccrc to carry on appealing when information is hidden

Do I make myself clear

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2011, 06:04:PM »
well if they know jermy bambers guilty then they should want all the evidence disclosed so that can be proved byound doubt and put an end to any further appeals.

and to shut up all his supporters.


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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2011, 06:16:PM »
PB I am not even going to respond to your posts anymore you have absolutely nothing to say but keep hanging off the back of Hartley
Oh dear that's upsetting!  ;D
Actually Jacks, you should be glad Bamber has a whole life tarriff. You would be dropped like a bad habit if he ever got out. Unless you're rich of course, in which case you'd probably get murdered too!
But I am glad you're going to stop nibbling my ankles.
Take care now!
PB I assure you that Jackie is not interested in JB in that way. She is a great campaigner for justice and is content to remain in the background if JB is ever freed.

By the way I think there is an ignore button when you go to the profile of any member? I think it is under "action". I do remember using it once, but I can't remember who now? ::) This might save a love of unpleasantness in the forum?
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« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2011, 06:27:PM »
You said you agree everything should be  released under PII is that correct

Yes that is correct, however I would need to see the wording of such a petition.

NGB will likely be able to inform you that in the first instance many items which have not been released, are not actually withheld under PII, some items have just simply not been released. You should also be aware that the  laws regarding PII did not exist back in 1985/6 in the format they are today.There is also a process for applying for the release of documents.

But show me the wording and then I'll decide, can't say fairer than that.

Hartley  - you are quite right, PII is the reason for non disclosure of a number of documents but there are other reasons, such as the "opt outs" under the Freedom of Information Act and Data Protection Act, which have been used used to justify withholding other documents.  You are also correct in pointing out that PII did not apply at the time of the trial - there was the broadly equivalent "Crown Immunity" and the Attorney General's Guidelines on disclosure.  However efforts to obtain documents now are governed by the current law so PII is now used to cover some of the documents in this case.  There are procedures for challenging PII but they are expensive and difficult, particularly outside the context of a trial which is taking place.  A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.


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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2011, 06:36:PM »
PB
Use your brain and your commonsense and I wish the Judges would have as well when you look at the summing up and the decisions by the court of appeal.  You dont need to much intelligence to work out what when on in this case.

PB could you for once come up with something to interest people on this forum because its people like you why Jeremy has got such a loyal load of supporters.

I would put you on a level with the Judges involved in this case @@@@ing useless at looking at the facts of the case

PB your challenge for the day to is to come up with some profound bit of information or evidence that would change thousands of peoples minds that Jeremy was in fact   guilty and this is not a miscarriage of justice

Myra Hindley had way more prominent supporters than Jeremy! That's how obvious his guilt is; but I am glad you think my intellect is on par with judges. That's the first thing I have read from you on here that makes sense

The big difference between Myra Hindley and Jeremy Bamber is that Jeremy Bamber's supporters believe he is not guilty, whereas such supporters as Myra Hindley had (Lord Longford being the only prominent one I can remember) did not at any stage argue that she was not guilty.  There is no comparison between the two cases.

No comparison between the two cases!
Really?
They both murdered 5 people
Both pleaded not guilty
Both blamed someone else for the murders (Sheila & Brady)
Both courted publicity at every turn
Both known to be exceptionally arrogant and nasty bits of work
Both spent decades in prison using every possible avenue in British and European Law to gain their freedom
Both failed miserably at every turn
Both on the list of only 38 murderers ever give a whole life tarrif
Both are notorius as exceptionally evil, vile murderers.
Both will have died in prison someday soon I hope

Want anymore?

 

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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2011, 06:37:PM »
A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.
Now can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the CCRC didn't use their powers to obtain this information? It is an open question for anyone on the forum.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2011, 06:44:PM »
A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.
Now can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the CCRC didn't use their powers to obtain this information? It is an open question for anyone on the forum.

What information do you think was not obtained by the CCRC? What evidence do you think is being concealed by PII?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2011, 06:47:PM »
A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.
Now can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the CCRC didn't use their powers to obtain this information? It is an open question for anyone on the forum.

What information do you think was not obtained by the CCRC? What evidence do you think is being concealed by PII?
I suppose you could include that as part of my question? Just what is held under PII? But in any case it is evident that some documents are being held under PII and what I want to know is, why is anything to do with this case being kept secret if the CCRC are interested in real justice?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2011, 06:50:PM »
PB
Use your brain and your commonsense and I wish the Judges would have as well when you look at the summing up and the decisions by the court of appeal.  You dont need to much intelligence to work out what when on in this case.

PB could you for once come up with something to interest people on this forum because its people like you why Jeremy has got such a loyal load of supporters.

I would put you on a level with the Judges involved in this case @@@@ing useless at looking at the facts of the case

PB your challenge for the day to is to come up with some profound bit of information or evidence that would change thousands of peoples minds that Jeremy was in fact   guilty and this is not a miscarriage of justice

Myra Hindley had way more prominent supporters than Jeremy! That's how obvious his guilt is; but I am glad you think my intellect is on par with judges. That's the first thing I have read from you on here that makes sense

The big difference between Myra Hindley and Jeremy Bamber is that Jeremy Bamber's supporters believe he is not guilty, whereas such supporters as Myra Hindley had (Lord Longford being the only prominent one I can remember) did not at any stage argue that she was not guilty.  There is no comparison between the two cases.

No comparison between the two cases!
Really?
They both murdered 5 people
Both pleaded not guilty
Both blamed someone else for the murders (Sheila & Brady)
Both courted publicity at every turn
Both known to be exceptionally arrogant and nasty bits of work
Both spent decades in prison using every possible avenue in British and European Law to gain their freedom
Both failed miserably at every turn
Both on the list of only 38 murderers ever give a whole life tarrif
Both are notorius as exceptionally evil, vile murderers.
Both will have died in prison someday soon I hope

Want anymore?

No thank you.  I am obviously wasting my time.   I will leave you to it.


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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2011, 07:05:PM »
PB
Use your brain and your commonsense and I wish the Judges would have as well when you look at the summing up and the decisions by the court of appeal.  You dont need to much intelligence to work out what when on in this case.

PB could you for once come up with something to interest people on this forum because its people like you why Jeremy has got such a loyal load of supporters.

I would put you on a level with the Judges involved in this case @@@@ing useless at looking at the facts of the case

PB your challenge for the day to is to come up with some profound bit of information or evidence that would change thousands of peoples minds that Jeremy was in fact   guilty and this is not a miscarriage of justice

Myra Hindley had way more prominent supporters than Jeremy! That's how obvious his guilt is; but I am glad you think my intellect is on par with judges. That's the first thing I have read from you on here that makes sense

The big difference between Myra Hindley and Jeremy Bamber is that Jeremy Bamber's supporters believe he is not guilty, whereas such supporters as Myra Hindley had (Lord Longford being the only prominent one I can remember) did not at any stage argue that she was not guilty.  There is no comparison between the two cases.

No comparison between the two cases!
Really?
They both murdered 5 people
Both pleaded not guilty
Both blamed someone else for the murders (Sheila & Brady)
Both courted publicity at every turn
Both known to be exceptionally arrogant and nasty bits of work
Both spent decades in prison using every possible avenue in British and European Law to gain their freedom
Both failed miserably at every turn
Both on the list of only 38 murderers ever give a whole life tarrif
Both are notorius as exceptionally evil, vile murderers.
Both will have died in prison someday soon I hope

Want anymore?

 
PB you simply cannot compare one case to another in that way. There are just too many variables to take into account. It is really a useless exercise to compare two entirely different crimes. It is wrong reasoning. It's like saying Angelo is a bad singer. Angelo is an Italian. Therefore all Italians must be bad singers. It is what you are doing here by comparing these two crimes. Firstly in the Moors murders all the victims were unrelated. In the WHF murders all the victims were family. Secondly in the Moors murders the bodies were hidden. In the WHF murders all bodies were present. Those features in themselves make that case very different to the WHF case. Above all things Ian Brady is guilty because he confessed to the murders. Jeremy Bamber on the other hand vehemently denies murder. Also many legal people admit to the fact that because so much evidence was witheld from the jury that JB did not have a fair trial.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2011, 07:07:PM »
What is it with the guilty camp's ability to turn out troll after troll after troll?  Is there a factory line somewhere?  :o

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« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2011, 07:08:PM »
Hartley I am not trying to personalise things at all but I have asked every single one of any anti bamber people on this forum the same question about should all information be released Joolz for one and if they have answered yes I can see no reason why anyone would not want to sign a petition

I have even mentioned the Eatons I have met the daughter a few times but no Ann but I am quite happy to go and nock on her door to ask her to sign a petition

You cant bleet on about Jeremy keep going to the ccrc to carry on appealing when information is hidden

Do I make myself clear

No not clear at all. Which part of response did you not understand?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2011, 07:09:PM »
What is it with the guilty camp's ability to turn out troll after troll after troll?  Is there a factory line somewhere?  :o

I'm a troll now?  ???