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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 08:13:AM »
After reading this, all I can say is I hope that none of my children ever give a thought to what they might gain "if my whole family had died."
Shona, I've seen it first hand. Not the bit about the whole family dying. But I used to go and see an old man who never had any visitors. None of his family came to see him. But as soon as he died they were all their like vultures. In one day his place was stripped bare of all valuables and they were gone before the dust had settled.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 08:39:AM »
Let us not forget, that Jeremy Bamber was released on bail (after these interviews) and he was not charged with the murders, until almost three weeks later. Also, that DCI Jones continued to believe Jeremy played no role in the planning and execution of the killings? Let it also be noted, that silencer that supposedly contained all this blood and paint, was already in police possession from as long ago as the evening of 12th August 1985, and it had been to the lab' on 13th August, and that no blood which was attributal to Sheila, was found in or on the silencer at that time, and no evidence that there was a presence of paint from the aga upon the silencer at that stage, either? Let us also not forget, that by the time of these interviews, the silencer had already been dismantled and rebuilt by DI Cook on 29th August, and exposed to the possibility of contamination, and that no blood flake was found hn the silencer by him at that stage? If you dismantle a silencer on 29th August and remove its baffle plates, and you place these onto a work surface where the bloodstained rifle had previously been resting, there is going to be a very good chance that the exposed baffle plates, are going to be vunerable and at risk of picking up at least one small flake of dried blood, which detached itself from the bloodstained rifle - let us also not forget that the barrel of this rifle was photographed resting against and upon Sheila's bloodstained neck, on the morning of 7th August 1985, and that there was a good prospect that at least a small amount of her blood got onto the barrel of the gun, at that stage. Also that the rifle and the silencer should have been kept apart at all costs, until after both had been thoroughly and scientifically checked, so that there was no opportunity for any innocent cross contamination to occur. Worse still, no sooner does DI Cook rebuild the silencer, than he is screwing it directly onto the barrel of the bloodstained rifle, where small flakes of dried blood could have been forced back into the silencer at the screw thread end, which could help to explain the presence of Sheila's DNA found there at a later date...

All of these things occurred prior to these interviews by the police with Jeremy Bamber - and yet he was released on bail and not charged with the murders, or playing any role in it...

Once Jeremy was released on bail, the relatives and the police had already started to get their act
into gear...

Police obtained blood samples from the relatives (19th September 1985) with a view to taking them out of the equation, as far as the blood in the silencer, was concerned, but it back fired because Robert Boutflour, was found to have the very same blood groups, as Sheila (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1). This became problematic for the case against Jeremy, but the DPP took a decision to arrest Jeremy and charge him with the murders upon his return to Dover, without the need to re-interview him - despite evidence existing that the blood found in the silencer could have originated from either Sheila Caffell or Robert Boutflour (as evidenced by the two witness statements made by the blood expert, John Hayward, dated, 29th September 1985 and 3rd October 1985, where he concedes for this possibility)...
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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2011, 10:37:AM »
Blood was not found inside the silencer which DI Cook took possession of and dismantled and then rebuilt, on 29th August 1985, before that silencer (DB/1 - Lab' item 23)  was sent off to the lab' on 30th August 1985, so my question is this, where did the blood flake come from in the interim period?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 11:02:AM »
After reading this, all I can say is I hope that none of my children ever give a thought to what they might gain "if my whole family had died."
Shona, I've seen it first hand. Not the bit about the whole family dying. But I used to go and see an old man who never had any visitors. None of his family came to see him. But as soon as he died they were all their like vultures. In one day his place was stripped bare of all valuables and they were gone before the dust had settled.

Deaths and funerals often bring out the worst in people. I've seen family gathering like vultures at so many funerals. My worst memory of this relates to the death of an elderly distant cousin of mine who was quite wealthy.  Her son's second wife took over the funeral arrangements and refused to allow my cousin the Christian funeral, flowers, prayers, hymns she'd wanted or any other form of tribute. My cousin's funeral was the most miserable and stingiest I have ever attended. It didn't feel like a funeral at all. The second wife even swindled my cousin's two grandsons from the first marriage out of a large share of their inheritance.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2011, 01:17:PM »
Of interest is the drugging angle that seems to be introduced in the police questioning.
It tries to imply JB used some sleeping tablets, that had been JM's that she left at his home, to make things eaiser to murder the family.
Why did this get raised....was there evidence from blood tests of the victims and Sheila that may indicate they may have been drugged or was it suspicion with no suitable tests carried out...were tests done and the results kept hidden?

Looking at the situation...
If JB or another third party or parties were the killer they faced 3 adults and 2 children to overcome so the use of drugs may have been very helpful to suppress the victims...spiked food maybe. If more than one killer...ie a male and female  then the odds are not as bad..
Maybe a husband and wife team...and it was "her" that gouged Neville's arm and not Sheila....maybe this pair would gain financially from the murders  if they could also kill JB or frame him for it...

However if the killer of the other 4 was Sheila then she only faced 2 adults and 2 children...again ..not good odds...but lots better if she had a firearm...but still desirable to drug them in some way.

Its very likely suitable drugs were present at whf...do we have any listings of all drugs found at whf or is this also hidden by PII?

But drugging people is not always easy to do....the opportunity to spike food etc is key or compliance if its children.
JB or any others would have great difficulty in finding a chance to spike food or get the boys to take a tablet given by him that evening/night. He was out in the fields most of the time and was not preparing meals or would have access to them.
For Sheila it was very different ..she would have been present at meal times and if needed may also have been able to give her sons drugs as she was their mother.

This drugging theory is not essential....but as the police seem to consider it a valid possibility then it remains so and cannot be readily swept aside by the anti-jb contingent.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 01:18:PM »
smiffy - I'm just off to Sainsbury's.........did you want anything?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2011, 01:24:PM »
no ta...
but you can get yourself some sleeping tablets and avoid alcohol as you seem to imbibe a little too much by your comments about drinking on the forum.
if you do buy alcohol...make sure its the proper stuff from a reputable retailer.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2011, 02:10:PM »
For Sheila it was very different ..she would have been present at meal times and if needed may also have been able to give her sons drugs as she was their mother.

So not only did Sheila go 'berserk with a gun' as Bamber supposedly told the police his father had said,  she had drugged the family first?

So by implication you're saying Sheila planned to 'go berserk' with a gun?
She felt the need to drug two 6 year old lads because she wanted to be sure she could assassinate them in their sleep without them jumping up and overpowering her?

If that is the type of defence Bamber is forwarding no wonder he fails at every turn. I think that is perhaps the least credible scenario I have read on the whole forum! 



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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2011, 02:59:PM »
For Sheila it was very different ..she would have been present at meal times and if needed may also have been able to give her sons drugs as she was their mother.

So not only did Sheila go 'berserk with a gun' as Bamber supposedly told the police his father had said,  she had drugged the family first?

So by implication you're saying Sheila planned to 'go berserk' with a gun?
She felt the need to drug two 6 year old lads because she wanted to be sure she could assassinate them in their sleep without them jumping up and overpowering her?

If that is the type of defence Bamber is forwarding no wonder he fails at every turn. I think that is perhaps the least credible scenario I have read on the whole forum!
Did the post mortem mention the presence of drugs in any other family member besides Sheila?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2011, 03:00:PM »
no ta...
but you can get yourself some sleeping tablets and avoid alcohol as you seem to imbibe a little too much by your comments about drinking on the forum.
if you do buy alcohol...make sure its the proper stuff from a reputable retailer.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2011, 03:05:PM »
For Sheila it was very different ..she would have been present at meal times and if needed may also have been able to give her sons drugs as she was their mother.

So not only did Sheila go 'berserk with a gun' as Bamber supposedly told the police his father had said,  she had drugged the family first?

So by implication you're saying Sheila planned to 'go berserk' with a gun?
She felt the need to drug two 6 year old lads because she wanted to be sure she could assassinate them in their sleep without them jumping up and overpowering her?

If that is the type of defence Bamber is forwarding no wonder he fails at every turn. I think that is perhaps the least credible scenario I have read on the whole forum!
Did the post mortem mention the presence of drugs in any other family member besides Sheila?

No. But the pathologist was corrupt remember.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2011, 03:14:PM »
For Sheila it was very different ..she would have been present at meal times and if needed may also have been able to give her sons drugs as she was their mother.

So not only did Sheila go 'berserk with a gun' as Bamber supposedly told the police his father had said,  she had drugged the family first?

So by implication you're saying Sheila planned to 'go berserk' with a gun?
She felt the need to drug two 6 year old lads because she wanted to be sure she could assassinate them in their sleep without them jumping up and overpowering her?

If that is the type of defence Bamber is forwarding no wonder he fails at every turn. I think that is perhaps the least credible scenario I have read on the whole forum!
Did the post mortem mention the presence of drugs in any other family member besides Sheila?

No. But the pathologist was corrupt remember.
Are you agreeing Harters. Cor blimey Harters has made the leap.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2011, 03:15:PM »
Sarcasm isn't lost on you at all is it Cliff.  ;)

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2011, 03:16:PM »
Sarcasm isn't lost on you at all is it Cliff.  ;)
Nope. ;D

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2011, 03:23:PM »
How dare you even suggest that anyone who isn't named Bamber wasnt currupt.