Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[David1819]

Yes and that's why I am asking you to repost.

You should have remembered the contents or kept it on record. If you were when I posted it back then, why should I waste my time posting it yet again?

[Rob_]

What is unusual about the PGM eynzyme test coming up negative?

The exhibits were first tested for the presence of blood and whether it was human in origin so the idea the AK enzyme originated from some non-human species is out of the question since it was confirmed as human in origin.

I have already explained the CoA confirmed the 17/20 markers are meaningless and concluded it was not possible to say either way whether or not Sheila's DNA was in the silencer.  The court further concluded Sheila's blood was in the silencer (flake/blood groupings) but that it was all swabbed away in the course of testing hence the later LCN DNA tests came up inconclusive.

Why was not more blood tested? I am curious that's all, it's as if the flake of blood was all that was in the silencer?

I know that 17/20 markers are meaningless I just hope that Adam does not include this as 17 more pieces of evidence. As he touts is as proof it was Sheila's blood.

[killingeve]

Ah! Got you Cutes.

Yes it gets a little wearing at times.  I have spent many hours spoon feeding info to others so I don't think its much to ask, is it?

[killingeve]

You should have remembered the contents or kept it on record. If you were when I posted it back then, why should I waste my time posting it yet again?

Unlike you I am able to discern the relevant from the irrelevant. 

In any event you are being purposely facetious and unhelpful.  A complete contrast when you're more than happy to retrieve members' posts for the sole purpose of goading 

[killingeve]

Why was not more blood tested? I am curious that's all, it's as if the flake of blood was all that was in the silencer?

I know that 17/20 markers are meaningless I just hope that Adam does not include this as 17 more pieces of evidence. As he touts is as proof it was Sheila's blood.

The flake was cut into 5 and the 5 tests carried out on each portion eg 1 cut part for ABO, another cut part  for AK and so on.  Blood was also tested on some of the upper parts of baffles slightly further up the silencer.  This gave results for A and EAP BA.

The blood flake was all used up for the five tests.

[Rob_]

The flake was cut into 5 and the 5 tests carried out on each portion eg 1 cut part for ABO, another cut part  for AK and so on.  Blood was also tested on some of the upper parts of baffles slightly further up the silencer.  This gave results for A and EAP BA.

The blood flake was all used up for the five tests.

Some reports I have read implied there was a lot of blood in the silencer Cc so it was just the flake? I knew it was cut into five portions but thanks.

[snow66!]

Yes it gets a little wearing at times.  I have spent many hours spoon feeding info to others so I don't think its much to ask, is it?

Of course not Cutie,I can assure you if I could help you,or anyone else with anything,I most certainly would.

[snow66!]

Yes it gets a little wearing at times.  I have spent many hours spoon feeding info to others so I don't think its much to ask, is it?

Did you find it? If not,go to statements,click on to Ann Eaton note cards,scroll well down till you come to Wed 14th Aug 1985,then its on the next page down starting   *Flowers Ann---

[Adam]

It will be a start if David clarifies how long he believes Nevill called Bamber's AM for.

ILB says around 20 seconds. Rob intially said 11 minutes but could not say what Sheila was doing during this time. So rounded it down - to 30 seconds!

Either way David is either relying on Bamber picking up straight away. Or Nevill spending several minutes repeatedly phoning. Tough choice.

It looks like David is not going to answer this. I have asked more than once. Very strange and disappointing.

He claims Nevill phoned Bamber's AM, then refuses to say how long he believes Nevill spent doing this.

Both ILB & Rob have answered. ILB saying around 20 seconds. Rob changed from 11 minutes to 30 seconds!

If David thinks it would take longer, just say. I would agree with him.

I would wish Nevill luck in getting me to answer within 10 minutes.

[killingeve]

Some reports I have read implied there was a lot of blood in the silencer Cc so it was just the flake? I knew it was cut into five portions but thanks.

Yes I have seen reference to 'a lot of blood'.  It would be helpful if we had photographic evidence or even a reliable and detailed diagram akin to what was produced for the rifle but all I've seen is some sort of rough sketch that looks like it was drawn by a pre-schooler. 

No it wasn't just the flake, as I said in the post above, blood was also extracted from the upper part of a couple of baffle plates further up the silencer (the flake was found lodged under baffle plates 1 and 2).  I will find the source and post up later. 

[killingeve]

Did you find it? If not,go to statements,click on to Ann Eaton note cards,scroll well down till you come to Wed 14th Aug 1985,then its on the next page down starting   *Flowers Ann---

Thanks snowie, found now. 👍

[Roch]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11429.msg529603.html#msg529603

[killingeve]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11429.msg529603.html#msg529603

Thanks Roch.  Yes that's the diagram I was referring to that looks like it was drawn up by a pre-schooler!  This is a far cry from the diagram produced detailing the blood stains on the rifle.

Where I referred to data on a second page I was referring to the relatives' blood groupings.

[killingeve]

Afaik there's no detailed diagram of the blood found within the silencer unlike the blood on the outside of the silencer and rifle!? 

[killingeve]

Somewhat of a contrast!?