Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[David1819]

Yes I hope they would, it should be easy to prove if the blood was in the silencer due to back spatter or some other means. Depending on what records are available of where the blood was actually found in the silencer.

In another case (where a silencer actually was used) They found skin tissue with powder residue on it inside the silencer. Another thing that is absent in this case.

[killingeve]

In another case (where a silencer actually was used) They found skin tissue with powder residue on it inside the silencer. Another thing that is absent in this case.

That's all fine and dandy but you're yet to produce a viable theory as to how the blood/silencer was fabricated, if that's what you still believe?

[killingeve]

I need to know exactly where in the silencer the blood was found, I think we will find back spatter does not explain the distribution of blood in the silencer?

Even if the distribution doesn't correspond with how you think it should it still doesn't explain how a blood flake matching Sheila's groupings found its way inside the silencer.

You and David1819 need to get your skates on and come up with a "slam dunk".

[David1819]

Here are documents showing the police obtained blood samples from the extended family and the subsequent results.

[killingeve]

Hopefully Cambridge is sober this time and will remember. 👍

Hardly surprising it wasn't memorable.  It doesn't tell anyone anthing!

[killingeve]

Hardly surprising it wasn't memorable.  It doesn't tell anyone anthing!

Oh I've just seen you have to scroll down some way on the second page.  I doubt I saw this first time around.  Anyway as far as I can see it is still unremarkable?

[Rob_]

In another case (where a silencer actually was used) They found skin tissue with powder residue on it inside the silencer. Another thing that is absent in this case.

Thanks David very interesting.

[Roch]

Oh I've just seen you have to scroll down some way on the second page.  I doubt I saw this first time around.  Anyway as far as I can see it is still unremarkable?

[Adam]

If guilty I bet JB at trial was scratching his head thinking how did that dam silencer get out of the sea and back into the cupboard! 

He would be if he threw it there.

As said he may have cycled back along Malden Road. Which was nowhere near the sea.

Please give your silencer fabrication theory.

[Adam]

Rob's approach 37 years later on the silencer is 'I would/wouldn't have done what Bamber did.  Therefore he must be innocent'.

Obviously the investigators just follow the evidence.

[Adam]

In another case (where a silencer actually was used) They found skin tissue with powder residue on it inside the silencer. Another thing that is absent in this case.

What case?

[snow66!]

The police giving who the blood?  Relatives?

Well,it may be as simple as this Cutes.Once the cops decided that JB was going down,they decided they would beef up the evidence against him.They had nothing at all linking him to the crime scene,so they went over the general scenario of what happened and some bright spark came up with the silencer plan.

They had Sheilas blood,they had the silencer and they had witnesses more than willing to say they found it in a rather obscure place that the police had simply overlooked.Someone also remembered that some sort of struggle took place in the kitchen and the scratch marks idea sprang to mind.Perfect,that would nail Bamber good and proper.

It didn't directly place Bamber at the scene,but it proved someone put the silencer back after Sheila was dead,so,same thing.If Sheila wasn't the killer JB was.

So,for all we know ,the police may have simply given the relatives a script,the silencer may never have been in their possetion at all.It would certainly explain all the different statements of who was present when it was found and the different descriptions,ie the blob of jam,the hair,paint,no paint.Who phoned the cops,who handed it in etc,etc.

Then when Julie came forward,prompted by her friends,for whatever reason,this was perfect for the police.They told Julie that they had proof of JBs guilt,so she was more than happy to help them by doing her duty to help convict an evil monster,especially after certain guarentees to herself and Susan.

We know a different cop was appointed to carry out the JB murder investigation,but why?Everyone had been interviwed for the murder suicide,all the evidence had been gathered,yet all that was shelved.Was it because Ainsley was willing to bend the rules,and also obtain new witness statements painting a very black picture against Bamber.

So what we have actually ended up with really,is similar to starting watching a film half way through and trying to work out what happened at the beginning.Until the original  investigation file is disclosed to shed some further light,there will forever be doubt of Jeremy Bambers guilt.

[Adam]

Well,it may be as simple as this Cutes.Once the cops decided that JB was going down,they decided they would beef up the evidence against him.They had nothing at all linking him to the crime scene,so they went over the general scenario of what happened and some bright spark came up with the silencer plan.

They had Sheilas blood,they had the silencer and they had witnesses more than willing to say they found it in a rather obscure place that the police had simply overlooked.Someone also remembered that some sort of struggle took place in the kitchen and the scratch marks idea sprang to mind.Perfect,that would nail Bamber good and proper.

It didn't directly place Bamber at the scene,but it proved someone put the silencer back after Sheila was dead,so,same thing.If Sheila wasn't the killer JB was.

So,for all we know ,the police may have simply given the relatives a script,the silencer may never have been in their possetion at all.It would certainly explain all the different statements of who was present when it was found and the different descriptions,ie the blob of jam,the hair,paint,no paint.Who phoned the cops,who handed it in etc,etc.

Then when Julie came forward,prompted by her friends,for whatever reason,this was perfect for the police.They told Julie that they had proof of JBs guilt,so she was more than happy to help them by doing her duty to help convict an evil monster,especially after certain guarentees to herself and Susan.

We know a different cop was appointed to carry out the JB murder investigation,but why?Everyone had been interviwed for the murder suicide,all the evidence had been gathered,yet all that was shelved.Was it because Ainsley was willing to bend the rules,and also obtain new witness statements painting a very black picture against Bamber.

So what we have actually ended up with really,is similar to starting watching a film half way through and trying to work out what happened at the beginning.Until the original  investigation file is disclosed to shed some further light,there will forever be doubt of Jeremy Bambers guilt.

So it is Sheila's blood in the silencer. That's you, Lookout & David in agreement.

Wouldn't it be easier for the police to just say they did another search of WHF & found it?

Relying on the relatives finding it is very optimistic.

[Adam]

Both guilters & supporters agree it is Sheila's blood in the silencer.

Rob is still refusing to accept it. Although does not believe it is DB's & has no silencer fabrication scenario.

Guilters have a watertight explanation - Bamber shot Sheila.

Supporters have failed to provide a credible scenario.

[Adam]

If supporters do ever come up with a credible scenario of how Sheila's blood got into the silencer, it will still not negate the guilters explanation.

The guilters/prosecution explanation is watertight. It is also backed up with all the other evidence against Bamber.