Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

You can't well no surprise, I must admit it's a bit tricky explaining how back spatter causes blood to get into two silencers at the same time, a flake in one and a pool in the other.

What are you talking about.

You know full well that the rifle had one silencer attached when Bamber crept upstairs.

[David1819]

What are you talking about.

You know full well that the rifle had one silencer attached when Bamber crept upstairs.

You know full well that Bamber wasn't even in the house that night.

[Adam]

You know full well that Bamber wasn't even in the house that night.

How long do you believe Nevill spent calling Bamber's AM?

[David1819]

It is very sick accusing the relatives of fabricating the silencer. Espescially as it was impossible to do.

But there will always be a handful.

Its impossible to unscrew a silencer, put blood inside it and scrape it against a shelf?

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[killingeve]

What is your theory on how it was fabricated?

What plausible explanation(s) exist if not as the prosecution claim?

[killingeve]

Yes, you have. I posted it on the IA forum back in December 2017 and you commented on it. Thus you have seen it.

Well that's nearly 5 years ago and it obviously didn't leave much of an impression if I can't recall it.  Please repost it.

[killingeve]

Its impossible to unscrew a silencer, put blood inside it and scrape it against a shelf?

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Virtually nothing is impossible but you're being somewhat facetious when you say "put blood inside it" when you know full well the blood needs to match Sheila's groups and those doing the contaminating would need access to not only an awful lot of technical data but the blood too!

Supporters need to come up with something plausible.  Ideas such as the relatives putting their own blood in or AE wringing out Sheila's menstrual stained knickers left soaking in a bucket do not even get off the starting blocks.

[killingeve]

You can't well no surprise, I must admit it's a bit tricky explaining how back spatter causes blood to get into two silencers at the same time, a flake in one and a pool in the other.

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[Adam]

How long do you believe Nevill spent calling Bamber's AM?

It seems that David is refusing to answer. I did ask last week as well.

A pity as both Rob & ILB have answered.

ILB saying Bamber would wake, realise the phone was ringing, decide to answer & get downstairs within 2 attempts/20 seconds.

Rob intially said 11 minutes but is now saying 30 seconds after being unable to say what Sheila would be doing for 11 minutes.

[killingeve]

We don't know for certain if it was Sheila's blood, all we can say is it was either the same blood group as Sheila or a mixture.

From who?  June and Nevill didn't sustain close contact shots. 

[Adam]

Scenario very short.

No times mentioned. Such as when Sheila got up & when Nevill started engaging downstairs.

No build up to Nevill calling Bamber.

No explanation of why Nevill let Sheila load rifle.

If Sheila loaded rifle when Nevill was not in kitchen, does not say why Sheila did not open fire downstairs/Nevill did not reclaim while fully fit.

No explanation of why Nevill did not put rifle away when arriving downstairs.

No explanation of what woke Nevill.

Relying on Nevill not waking June for assistance.

Relying on June not waking simultaneously with Nevill.

Relying on June or the twins not waking while Sheila gets so bad Nevill decides to call Bamber's AM.

No explanation of why Nevill let Sheila go upstairs with a loaded rifle.

No benefit of Nevill phoning Bamber's AM.

No explanation on why Nevill did not call the police instead of Bamber.

No explanation of how many times Nevill phoned Bamber's AM.

Relying on Bamber picking up the phone instantly. If David believes Nevill would give up phoning quickly.

Relying on Nevill spending several minutes repeatedly ringing Bamber's AM. If David believes Bamber would not wake/ignore.

No explanation of what Sheila was doing while Nevill was phoning Bamber's AM.

No explanation of why Nevill would not instantly reclaim his rifle while fully fit.

No explanation of why Nevill allowed Sheila to load rifle.

No evidence on Sheila.

Nevill bare footed although he got out of bed to go downstairs.

Sheila bare footed although got out of bed to go downstairs.

Relying on Sheila firing rifle at June at the same time Bamber picks up phone.

Relying on Nevill hearing upstairs shots from quiet/silent rifle. 

'Sheila pivots'. Not compatible with her being docile & uncordinated due to Haloperiodal. 

Relying on twins not waking.

Does not say when twins were shot.

Relying on June 'going after Sheila'.

Relying on June 'collapsing with shock'.

Relying on Nevill allowing Sheila to point rifle inches from his face. And not reclaim rifle.

Relying on Nevill not able to calm Sheila down.

Relying on Nevill hearing upstairs shots, then not being prepared for Sheila.

Relying on Nevill hearing upstairs shots. Then instantly retreating.

No description of kitchen fight.

Does not say how Sheila lifted Nevill onto coal scuttle.

Relying on Bamber, June & Nevill not putting rifle away.

No explanation on Sheila's re loads & when she killed herself.

No explanation on what Sheila did after killing 4 people.

Relying on the relatives knowing -

Sheila's arm lenght.

Rifle lenght.

Rifle/silencer lenght.

About back spatter.

Who received contact shots.

Location of contact shots.

All other evidence.

There was not a silencer next to Sheila.

Where to get Sheila's blood.

Crime scene photos of aga.

There was no blood in rifle barrel.

Silencers in WHF were not checked.

How to put Sheila's blood into silencer.

Relatives knowing how to put diluted period blood into silencer.

David is also refusing to address any of the flaws in his fifth Sheila scenario attempt.

He also said last week he is not going to submit another scenario.

[Adam]

There is no question David is a guilter -

He was a hardcore guilter.

He attempted a secret stance change.

The secret stance change was so he could goad 2 other posters who had been open about becoming guilters. As well as get a letter from Bamber to feel important. Due to his secret forensic evidence breakthrough hoax.

He eventually gave 2 reasons for his stance change. Which somehow negates 200 reasons. Both these reasons have been dismissed.

He cannot create a Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

Virtually nothing is impossible but you're being somewhat facetious when you say "put blood inside it" when you know full well the blood needs to match Sheila's groups and those doing the contaminating would need access to not only an awful lot of technical data but the blood too!

Supporters need to come up with something plausible.  Ideas such as the relatives putting their own blood in or AE wringing out Sheila's menstrual stained knickers left soaking in a bucket do not even get off the starting blocks.

The blood needs to be Sheila's. Due to 17 out of 20 markers.

[David1819]

Well that's nearly 5 years ago and it obviously didn't leave much of an impression if I can't recall it.

Or, you were obviously not in a sound state of mind when I did post it.

[Adam]

Its impossible to unscrew a silencer, put blood inside it and scrape it against a shelf?

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Where would they get Sheila's blood from?