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Offline Adam

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #195 on: September 03, 2022, 02:00:PM »
Rob if you read #496 it explains in more detail: http://www.homepage-link.to/JUSTICE/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Thank you. Had not seen that.

Could the remaining 3 supporters - Rob, Snow66! & ILB be changing stance today?
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #196 on: September 03, 2022, 02:11:PM »
Rob if you read #496 it explains in more detail: http://www.homepage-link.to/JUSTICE/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Thanks Steve so what Adam is claiming is untrue all we can really say is Sheila's DNA could not be ruled out, but much more likely to be Junes.

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #197 on: September 03, 2022, 02:12:PM »
Since you are convinced AE wrung out Sheila's soaking in a bucket menstrual stained knickers to contaminate the silencer why would you care what I think whether I believe it was a fabrication or not?  One has to come to the inevitable in the end!

What is your theory on how it was fabricated?

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #198 on: September 03, 2022, 02:17:PM »
No.  I have never seen any firm evidence their blood was analysed in this way other than a claim in Wilkes' book.

Yes, you have. I posted it on the IA forum back in December 2017 and you commented on it. Thus you have seen it.


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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #199 on: September 03, 2022, 02:19:PM »
Thank you. Had not seen that.

Could the remaining 3 supporters - Rob, Snow66! & ILB be changing stance today?

Not yet Adam I am afraid, can you explain why SJ said the blood on the silencer looked recent?

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #200 on: September 03, 2022, 02:26:PM »
Thanks Steve so what Adam is claiming is untrue all we can really say is Sheila's DNA could not be ruled out, but much more likely to be Junes.

17 out of 20. Seems pretty convinving.

One thing is for sure, DB didn't put his blood in there. That's always been a sick theory.
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #201 on: September 03, 2022, 02:31:PM »
496:

In the interpretation of the results, Dr Clayton called on behalf of the appellant and Miss Groombridge, called on behalf of the prosecution disagreed to a limited extent.

Both agreed that Sheila Caffell could have contributed to this mixture of DNA but Miss Groombridge was prepared to go further and say that the findings provided support for the proposition that she had contributed to the mixture. She was, however, unable to determine the level of support provided.

In her evidence to the court she explained her reasoning. Seventeen of the twenty bands attributable to Sheila Caffell had been detected in DNA from the internal swabbings.

Random chance would have suggested thirteen common bands would be found and hence since there was significantly more than thirteen, it provided some support for the DNA of Sheila Caffell being in the moderator.

However, Miss Groombridge was unable to perform any sort of statistical evaluation of the likelihood of this happening and hence unable to assess the strength of the support.

Dr Clayton, whilst acknowledging the respect that he had for Miss Groombridge's views and whilst recognising the possible validity of the point that she made, felt that it was unsafe to draw any such conclusion.

Whilst we recognise that there may very well be merit in Miss Groombridge's evidence in this regard, we doubt very much whether a jury would have been prepared to place any significant reliance upon it so that it might have altered any view which they otherwise would have reached.
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #202 on: September 03, 2022, 02:35:PM »
Sheila was the only person who -

Received a contact shot in an area of high blood flow.

Received a shot 'within 3 inches' in an area of high blood flow.

Whose blood was 100% in the silencer. Together with the aga scratches.

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Not sure what else can be supplied.
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #203 on: September 03, 2022, 02:39:PM »
Sheila's blood being in the silencer matches the crime scene evidence.

Going by shot distances & shot locations of each of the 5 people.

Not sure what else can be supplied.
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #204 on: September 03, 2022, 02:45:PM »
17 out of 20. Seems pretty convinving.

One thing is for sure, DB didn't put his blood in there. That's always been a sick theory.

Not when you would expect 13 just by chance, please post honestly Adam.

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #205 on: September 03, 2022, 02:50:PM »
Sheila's blood being in the silencer matches the crime scene evidence.

Going by shot distances & shot locations of each of the 5 people.

Not sure what else can be supplied.

Well the jury were far from certain, it's only when they were told a porky by the judge it then took them 20mins or so to convict.

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #206 on: September 03, 2022, 02:57:PM »
17 out of 20. Seems pretty convinving.

One thing is for sure, DB didn't put his blood in there. That's always been a sick theory.

I have not seen anyone claim DB did?

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #207 on: September 03, 2022, 03:26:PM »

Whose blood was 100% in the silencer. Together with the aga scratches.


You have no evidence to show the blood was in the silencer and the aga scratches existed prior to the relatives having access to the scene.
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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #208 on: September 03, 2022, 03:29:PM »
Sheila's blood being in the silencer matches the crime scene evidence.

No, it does not.

"34. The evidence of Dr Fowler is set out in a more substantial report.  That report has been peer?reviewed by Dr Dragovich, who is Chief Medical Examiner in Oakland County, Michigan and Dr Marcella Fierro, who is the retired Chief Medical Examiner to the Commonwealth of Virginia.  Both have qualifications as forensic pathologists.  In his careful report, Dr Fowler makes clear that he has reviewed the evidence, which was available in relation to the wounds.  He concluded that the abrasions found were consistent with those of a rifle without a silencer, that there were no distinctive marks on the body which showed that a silencer had been attached, and the residue was consistent with contact wounds. "

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Re: Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.
« Reply #209 on: September 03, 2022, 03:56:PM »
You have no evidence to show the blood was in the silencer and the aga scratches existed prior to the relatives having access to the scene.

No evidence?

Errr the relatives handed in a silencer with blood & paint on.

When tested it was the aga paint. 

When tested it was 100% Sheila's blood.

Errr Sheila was the only person receiving a contact shot in an area of high blood flow.

Errr Bamber was convicted & has failed to get this overturned.

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