Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

Yes Adam just pointed out the need to find out their own blood types.As far as the police are concerned,after it was a murder investigation the relatives were allies .

Do you believe the relatives asked several police officers what blood type Sheila was. Until they got an answer.

Then asked the police to test their blood types.

Prior to handing in the silencer.

[snow66!]

Do you believe the relatives asked several police officers what blood type Sheila was. Until they got an answer.

Then asked the police to test their blood types.

Prior to handing in the silencer.

I dont necessarily believe anything Adam,I am just pointing out the possibility of a bit of corruption once it was a murder inquiry and the relatives were pushing for a Bamber conviction too.

[Adam]

I dont necessarily believe anything Adam,I am just pointing out the possibility of a bit of corruption once it was a murder inquiry and the relatives were pushing for a Bamber conviction too.

Well there needs to be something credible. It has been 36 years.

The relatives asking police officers what blood type Sheila was, then asking the police to test their blood, is not credible.

[Jane]

Yes Adam just pointed out the need to find out their own blood types.As far as the police are concerned,after it was a murder investigation the relatives were allies .

Still, given that only two of the victims were related by blood, I find it odd that they'd want to know the blood groups of those unrelated.

[snow66!]

Still, given that only two of the victims were related by blood, I find it odd that they'd want to know the blood groups of those unrelated.

Well,I suppose only June was a relation to the relatives through blood.But you have to remember that there are only four or five different blood groups,so it wouldn't be that hard to find a match for Sheila.It wasn't like DNA testing,mores the pity.

[Rob_]

This is nothing to do with remembering where a relative first saw blood on the silencer.

Have you not read DB's statements Adam?

[Rob_]

It was AE.

September statement.

"We discussed the implication of how this silencer could be in the gun cupboard with blood and paint on it. Obviously if it was being alleged that somebody had had a brainstorm and shot dead four people they would surely not have stopped to remove the silencer, put it back in the gun cupboard, go back upstairs and shoot herself dead. Contact was made with the police about the discovery of the blood and paint stained silencer."

Examination at trial.

ARLIDGE: As a result of that being found, were police contacted?
ANN EATON: Yes, Witham Police
ARLIDGE: Do you know the date on which that took place?
ANN EATON: Saturday night.
ARLIDGE: That very evening?
ANN EATON: Yes.
MR. Justice Drake: (To the witness): Q: Who actually contacted them?
ANN EATON: It was probably me, but I cannot remember, but Witham Police were contacted.

Thanks Dave though I have read this before maybe it's me but I find it strange she is not sure:

"It was probably me, but I cannot remember"

[Adam]

How do you believe the relatives found out DB & Sheila had the same blood group. In such a short time period?

Rob is online now. He can now answer.

[Rob_]

Rob is online now. He can now answer.

Five people were shot Adam several very close or contact shots, as long as it was human blood that would probably be good enough to get the police to suspect JB, but either someone got lucky and the groups matched Sheila's, or worse and Sheila's blood was planted in the silencer.

[Adam]

Five people were shot Adam several very close or contact shots, as long as it was human blood that would probably be good enough to get the police to suspect JB, but either someone got lucky and the groups matched Sheila's, or worse and Sheila's blood was planted in the silencer.

How could the relatives plant Sheila's blood into the silencer?

[Rob_]

How could the police plant Sheila's blood into the silencer?

I never said it was the police did I?

[Adam]

Five people were shot Adam several very close or contact shots, as long as it was human blood that would probably be good enough to get the police to suspect JB, but either someone got lucky and the groups matched Sheila's, or worse and Sheila's blood was planted in the silencer.

Why would the police suspect Bamber if other peoples blood was in the silencer?

Sheila had to take it off before shooting herself.

[Adam]

I never said it was the police did I?

Sorry I meant the relatives.

[Rob_]

Why would the police suspect Bamber if other peoples blood was in the silencer?

Sheila had to take it off before shooting herself.

Five victims with different blood groups plus possibility of mixtures, any human blood would probably been good enough to turn the tide against JB.

Because the silencer was in the cupboard and not beside Sheila.

If the silencer had been left beside Sheila we would not be here now.

[Adam]

How could the relatives plant Sheila's blood into the silencer?

Question amended for Rob.