Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[killingeve]

If I knew that the blood was 100% certain it was Sheila's blood and no one else's I would have to switch to guilty, but that's not the case. All we can say is that the blood matched 8% of the population, including some of the relatives blood groups.

Sorry I do not accept the silencer evidence at all, there were two silencers for a start. SJ thought so much of it that he just chucked the silencer in the boot. DB's witness statement where he first says he saw the blood etc. while at WHF then latter in another he says he saw the blood etc. over AE's house is just unacceptable.

Even DNA evidence isn't 100%. 

The expert said the blood groups within the flake matched 8% of the white British population so you're a few billion out.  It stands to reason surely that statistically one or more of the relatives will share the same blood groups?  Trials are concerned with propositions that are capable of convincing jurors not fanciful notions.  If you were a member of the jury at Bamber's trial which do you think would sound most compelling:

- Sheila's blood entering the silencer from the 'drawback' phenomenon
- RWB dobbing his blood in to contaminate silencer
- AE wringing out Sheila's menstrual stained knickers left to soak in a bucket of water and using to contaminate silencer

Rivlin went for the mixed blood theory ie the flake representing a mix of Nevill and June's blood.

[Adam]

It was AE.

September statement.

"We discussed the implication of how this silencer could be in the gun cupboard with blood and paint on it. Obviously if it was being alleged that somebody had had a brainstorm and shot dead four people they would surely not have stopped to remove the silencer, put it back in the gun cupboard, go back upstairs and shoot herself dead. Contact was made with the police about the discovery of the blood and paint stained silencer."

Examination at trial.

ARLIDGE: As a result of that being found, were police contacted?
ANN EATON: Yes, Witham Police
ARLIDGE: Do you know the date on which that took place?
ANN EATON: Saturday night.
ARLIDGE: That very evening?
ANN EATON: Yes.
MR. Justice Drake: (To the witness): Q: Who actually contacted them?
ANN EATON: It was probably me, but I cannot remember, but Witham Police were contacted.

This is nothing to do with remembering where a relative first saw blood on the silencer.

[David1819]

This is nothing to do with remembering where a relative first saw blood on the silencer.

I never said it was.

[Adam]

I never said it was.

Your reply was to Rob's -

'Why Adam? how can someone forget where they first saw the blood in/on the silencer.

Then no one seems to remember who called the police?'

[Steve_uk]

I have never hidden from anything you thick shit.

Unlike you who is too much of a coward to create a Sheila scenario.

And yes I hadn't looked at google until recently. And neither had anyone else as far as I know.

Adam will fall out of favour with myself if he continues in this vein.

[Adam]

Adam will fall out of favour with myself if he continues in this vein.

Now I won't get any sleep tonight.

[Adam]

Regarding Kestrel19, he is stone walling the issue of creating a Sheila scenario.

His forum intro is very vague.

His only posts I can recall are to do with the bike ride Bamber took. Making snide comments whenever I investigate or make a route suggestion. Although I don't need to as Wilkinson has several routes. Apparently Kestrel19 lives in the area but has never submitted one piece of useful information.

He then accused me of creating this thread to 'bury' another thread on which I had used my iniative & located WHF on Google!

I can only conclude he is a guilter & agrees with my Bamber scenario.

[Steve_uk]

Now I won't get any sleep tonight.

No, and if you continue to gratuitously insult members you won't have a bed on this forum either.

[Adam]

No, and if you continue to gratuitously insult members you won't have a bed on this forum either.

Are you a moderator?

And Kestrel19 called me a 'prat' after I made an error on which side of the road 9, Head Street is.

Prior to accusing me of trying to 'bury' a thread. While simultaneously stone walling the Sheila scenario issue.

[Rob_]

Even DNA evidence isn't 100%. 

The expert said the blood groups within the flake matched 8% of the white British population so you're a few billion out.  It stands to reason surely that statistically one or more of the relatives will share the same blood groups?  Trials are concerned with propositions that are capable of convincing jurors not fanciful notions.  If you were a member of the jury at Bamber's trial which do you think would sound most compelling:

- Sheila's blood entering the silencer from the 'drawback' phenomenon
- RWB dobbing his blood in to contaminate silencer
- AE wringing out Sheila's menstrual stained knickers left to soak in a bucket of water and using to contaminate silencer

Rivlin went for the mixed blood theory ie the flake representing a mix of Nevill and June's blood.

Not sure where the few billion comes from? I just said that around 8% of the population also has the same blood group as Sheila's? Of course DNA evidence should not be relied upon in it's totality, I just said if I knew for sure etc.

The jury were obviously not sure as they asked for clarification on the blood / silencer issue and were told a porkie by the judge if I remember correctly? 21 minutes after being told a porkie they convicted.

[Adam]

Not sure where the few billion comes from? I just said that around 8% of the population also has the same blood group as Sheila's? Of course DNA evidence should not be relied upon in it's totality, I just said if I knew for sure etc.

The jury were obviously not sure as they asked for clarification on the blood / silencer issue and were told a porkie by the judge if I remember correctly? 21 minutes after being told a porkie they convicted.

How do you believe the relatives found out DB & Sheila had the same blood group. In such a short time period?

[Steve_uk]

Are you a moderator?

And Kestrel19 called me a 'prat' after I made an error on which side of the road 9, Head Street is.

Prior to accusing me of trying to 'bury' a thread. While simultaneously stone walling the Sheila scenario issue.

Whether I am a Moderator or not is quite irrelevant. Any post which is deemed inappropriate by a member should be reported via the link on the post itself. I am not a Moderator, but I am able to and do report offensive posts, which include ad hominem attacks.

[Adam]

How do you believe the relatives found out DB & Sheila had the same blood group. In such a short time period?

Question open to forum.

David says the relatives put diluted period blood into the silencer. Although has never said how this could be done.

Lookout says Sheila took the silencer off before shooting herself & her blood fell in. Although Sheila only bled after her first shot.

The most popular view & what Bamber advocates is the relatives fabricated the silencer. So the question of how the relatives found out so quickly that DB's blood group matched Sheila's needs to be answered.

[Steve_uk]

Question open to forum.

David says the relatives put diluted period blood into the silencer. Although has never said how this could be done.

Lookout says Sheila took the silencer off before shooting herself & her blood fell in. Although Sheila only bled after her first shot.

The most popular view & what Bamber advocates is the relatives fabricated the silencer. So the question of how the relatives found out so quickly that DB's blood group matched Sheila's needs to be answered.

Yes these are all valid points Adam.

[snow66!]

How do you believe the relatives found out DB & Sheila had the same blood group. In such a short time period?

Wouldn't the victims blood type be tested at autopsy Adam?