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Offline snow66!

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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2022, 12:03:AM »
I think many guilters opinions are tainted by the verdict. Unable to differentiate between a soap, drama and reality
Yes,once the guilty verdict was reached,most would obviously trust it.

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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2022, 12:04:AM »

Stan had to give those keys at the discretion of Jeremy I am guessing?

Doubtful. It wasn't Bamber's house yet. He was abroad.

AE was next of kin.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2022, 12:06:AM »
No Steve he would never have left the silencer in the cupboard in the first place, and I think you know this as well?

In your opinion.

The evidence is he committed the massacre with silencer attached.

Then took it off & put it in it's usual place after shooting Sheila & before burning Nevill. 

Not sure why that is so difficult to accept.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2022, 12:09:AM »
This is the kind of common sense questions that people with doubt of JBs guilt ask ILB. Adam says that Jones gave AE the keys and asked her to tidy the house up,but as you say,Jones MUST have had JBs permission to do so,and as you say,the LAST thing a murderer would want was snooping relatives casing the joint.Just dosen't add up,dosen't add up AT ALL.

Bamber was not expecting snooping relatives.

He was not aware of back spatter & the aga paint.

He told Julie he was 'watertight' & it was 'an open & shut case'.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2022, 12:10:AM »
It does not add up Snow because if guilty JB would not be going on holidays leaving loose ends like the silencer lying around. The phone hidden under magazines, blood on the kitchen windows, the hacksaw blade on the window sill. Oh and he would have tightened the latch on the kitchen window so it did not lock when closed hard!

I wish Adam would consider all this in his JB scenario  ;)

Yes all these were mistakes by Bamber.

Believe it or not, criminals currently in prisons did make mistakes.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2022, 08:04:AM »
Ian Huntley hung around the police " helping them with their enquiries ", koff koff !

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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2022, 11:50:AM »
Huntley hung around the police because he was gulity as sin and trying to stay one step ahead. We can't really apply this to the Boutflour Eaton camp
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2022, 12:43:PM »
Doubtful. It wasn't Bamber's house yet. He was abroad.

AE was next of kin.

No she wasn't. Pamela Boutflour and Mabel speakman were.  As was Jeremy
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2022, 01:48:PM »
No she wasn't. Pamela Boutflour and Mabel speakman were.  As was Jeremy

Wasn't Mabel Speakman ill?

AE had built up a relationship with Stan Jones.

It was a police crime scene. Nevill & June were deceased so it was up SJ who he gave the keys to. Bamber was on the first of his 5 holidays.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2022, 02:00:PM »
Wasn't Mabel Speakman ill?

AE had built up a relationship with Stan Jones.

It was a police crime scene. Nevill & June were deceased so it was up SJ who he gave the keys to. Bamber was on the first of his 5 holidays.
Yes but it wouldn't affect the provisions of the Inheritance Tax Act 1984 unless Mabel could be proven to be of unsound mind. http://clarkekiernan.com/contentious-probate/simultaneous-deaths
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2022, 02:24:PM »
No Steve he would never have left the silencer in the cupboard in the first place, and I think you know this as well?


Rob will agree Bamber would use a silencer in a silent massacre attempt.

He would also agree Bamber would take it off after shooting Sheila. As the rifle was too long for her with it on.

Rob is a lone wolf when saying Bamber would never put the silencer back in it's usual place. But each to their own.
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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2022, 04:29:PM »

Rob will agree Bamber would use a silencer in a silent massacre attempt.

He would also agree Bamber would take it off after shooting Sheila. As the rifle was too long for her with it on.

Rob is a lone wolf when saying Bamber would never put the silencer back in it's usual place. But each to their own.

I don't agree Adam, I don't think a silencer was used that night, as you know.

If he did there was only one place to leave it and that's NOT in the cupboard especially as he would have blocked the route to the den by placing Nevil in front of the kitchen door.





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Re: Why were the relatives in and out of WHF in the aftermath.
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2022, 04:41:PM »
I don't agree Adam, I don't think a silencer was used that night, as you know.

If he did there was only one place to leave it and that's NOT in the cupboard especially as he would have blocked the route to the den by placing Nevil in front of the kitchen door.

Both supporters & guilters agree Bamber would use a silencer in a silent massacre attempt.

Both supporters and guilters agree Bamber would take the silencer off after shooting Sheila. As the rifle would be too long for her otherwise.

Both supporters & guilters agree Bamber was not aware of back spatter or the aga paint.

Both supporters & guilters agree putting the silencer back in it's usual place is as good a place as any.

Bamber had access to the gun cupboard. Otherwise that would have been mentioned in the last 36 years.  You are claiming this to support your own theory.
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