Summary of flaws in ILB's Sheila scenario:

[Adam]

Could you retrieve a rifle from a " 7 stone frail woman" in a psychotic episode, or a  knife from 93 year old disabled dementia sufferer, Adam ? Not forgetting it took 2 police officers concerned with the old man ?

You have just answered for me.

I certainly wouldn't phone Bamber's AM & let myself get beaten on 3 seperate occasions. Twice mildly.

[ILB]

ILB isn't just relying on Nevill letting himself get beaten 3 times (twice mildly) & doing nothing except phone Bamber's AM.

He is relying on June being awake & doing nothing. As Sheila mildly beats Nevill the first time a few feet from her.

Thought a mother, wife & grandmother would do more in her own house.

But as ILB says, June was 'petrified' of a 7 stone woman bare footed in a nightie mildly hitting a 15 stone man with an empty rifle.

June was so scared she didn't even leave her bed when Sheila went downstairs to reload.

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What could a 61 year old woman do??

Maybe Neville had shouted to June " stay where you are "

It was a crisis

You can't allude to Neville not  running downstairs to ring Jeremy being farfetched. You can't prove anything. It's all likelihoods.

[ILB]

You have just answered for me.

I certainly wouldn't phone Bamber's AM & let myself get beaten on 3 seperate occasions. Twice mildly.

So If I struck you with a rifle butt. You are saying you could then tackle me?

I bet you
£2000 you couldn't

[ILB]

Hopefully ILB creates a second scenario which does not include these 24 major flaws.

It needs to match the crime scene. The broken rifle butt, scratched aga, smashed ceiling light, smashed watch & upturned furniture shows Nevill was brutally beaten downstairs. After being shot 4 times upstairs.

ILB has a fully fit Nevill being brutally beaten upstairs. Twice. And shot 4 times upstairs. In that case he would have died upstairs.

Adam is upset because I replied to his every point in a previous thread.  I fully admitted a reloading issue to him which he accepted. Once the modicum of humility had washed off himself and he realised he was a prick he had to go back to troll mode on his mother's laptop. So I will duly strike back

1) I responded to every one of Adams original points in his original thread
2) David Gish gallop reference
3) Adam took my scenario and added words, inferences,
4) Adam makes it up as he goes along
5) Why do Adam and killingeve never appear online at the same time?
6) I asked and answered everyone of Adams questions. Why doesn't he answer mine? Why does he evade?
7) Adams Bamber scenario is flawed
Adams rifle reference is flawed. He provided me a video of a guy in a field
9) Adam hasn't answered any of my threads

[Adam]

Invented Conversations:

June said this. Bamber said that. No proof.

No proof the fostering conversation took place.


Sheila was very docile and uncordinated:

ILB has Sheila going on an unprovoked mad rampage. Twice. Refuting the evidence days & hours beforehand.


Rifle not put away - 4 times.

Nevill misses the rifle at 10pm. Then when returning from walking the dogs/harvesting & when talking to Sheila during her first breakdown.

June also leaves the rifle out.


Nevill cannot hear things

Nevill would not hear Sheila shoot the twins.

ILB is relying on Sheila running on 'creeking' floorboards. Although says Nevill is in a REM sleep. Again impossible.

Nevill would not hear June being shot from downstairs.


Nevill does nothing pro active:

Except phone Bamber's AM.


A fully fit Nevill gets beaten by Sheila. Twice:

Both attacks would be continuous.

The first time with an empty rifle.

Nevill puts up no resistance.

Sheila is injury free.

Nevill does not take the rifle back.

Nevill was twice as big & strong as Sheila. Also a lot fitter being a full time farmer.


June does nothing:

June is awake. She is also a mother, wife & grandmother.

Unlike Sheila in a Bamber scenario. June does nothing except stay in bed & let herself get shot 5 times.


Reliant on Bamber answering the phone within 2 rings:

Agree with ILB that Nevill would definately give up after 2 rings. Sheila was shooting & hitting people.


Reliant on Nevill phoning Bamber's AM:

No benefit to Nevill in doing this.


Sheila does not re load before firing another 9 shots:

I rectified this for ILB.


Sheila reloads & goes upstairs in front of Nevill:

Nevill is ringing Bamber's AM. A few feet from Sheila reloading & then going upstairs with a loaded rifle.


A badly injured Nevill burns his own back. Three times!

ILB has not explained how this is possible.


Scenario does not match the crime scene:

Broken rifle butt in kitchen.

Smashed watch in kitchen.

No evidence of upstairs fight.

No explanation of smashed kitchen ceiling light.

No explanation on how Nevill was lifted onto coal scuttle.

Aga scratches not explained.

ILB claims Sheila moved furniture. While everyone else was in bed!


Time issues for Sheila:

From Nevill's call to Bamber, to the police arriving, Sheila still had a lot to do. As stated by the judge in his summing up.


Sheila shoots herself twice:

Bamber did not dispute this was not possible when interviewed.

First shot knocked her out & would have killed her.


Reliant on Sheila shooting June at the exact same time Bamber answers the phone:

Although as stated Nevill would not hear any upstairs shots.


Reliant on Sheila chambering, breaching & re loading rifle:

Sheila had no experience with rifles.


Nevill does not call the police:

I agree with that. However it is going against the long term big policy of the campaign team.


Nevill leaves everyone to go downstairs:

Twice. The second time he is aware the rifle is loaded.


Nevill being beaten twice & shot 4 times upstairs, would have collapsed upstairs.

Beating was very brutal.


Sheila stops beating Nevill & allows him to go downstairs to phone Bamber's AM:

Injuries highlight beating was fierce & continuous.

Attacker would not stop.


Sheila has a meltdown without provocation. Twice. 

Everyone was asleep. As you would expect Sheila to be.


Nevill calms Sheila down after the first meltdown.

He is satisfied enough to go back to sleep. Nevill knew Sheila better than anyone.


Things had escalated too far when Nevill pboned Bamber's AM.

Nevill & June's only option was to take the empty rifle off Sheila. Rather than let her reload.

These are the 24 major flaws in ILB's Sheila scenario.

He is now sayjng a fully fit Nevill was beaten mildly twice upstairs. Then shot 4 times upstairs.
Neville then went downstairs and got beaten again!

After Nevill's first mild beating, Nevill didn't take the rifle off Sheila. He went downstairs to phone Bamber's AM. But only twice!

[Adam]

Good luck with scenario two.

[Adam]

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What could a 61 year old woman do??

Maybe Neville had shouted to June " stay where you are "

It was a crisis

You can't allude to Neville not  running downstairs to ring Jeremy being farfetched. You can't prove anything. It's all likelihoods.

Assist her husband?

Help restrain her daughter?

But your scenario. June is awake & you are relying on her doing nothing. Similar to Nevill doing nothing, disrespectful.

[Adam]

So If I struck you with a rifle butt. You are saying you could then tackle me?

I bet you
£2000 you couldn't

You said Nevill was struck mildly upstairs the first two times. Nevill was even able to get downstairs & phone Bamber's AM after the first beating.

So certainly able to take the rifle off Sheila.

But your scenario. So Nevill goes downstairs to phone Bamber's AM (twice) after the first beating. He lets Sheila re load & go upstairs.

[lookout]

Lookout making up stories again. Unless she posts the source.

You can't see reason can you ? Your brain doesn't function normally !
If you can't follow up to date headlines then you're a complete lost cause. If this forum is your only contact with something that happened nigh on 37 years ago then you're the saddest individual.

On the contrary, it's you who's full of fairy stories and pages full of repetitive nonsense because you know nothing beyond this case---even your knowledge of the case itself is questionable.