Summary of flaws in ILB's Sheila scenario:

[ILB]

I believe that it's possible he got a substantial beating when he went back upstairs when he was shot four times in the master bedroom

[Adam]

I believe that it's possible he got a substantial beating when he went back upstairs when he was shot four times in the master bedroom

So Nevill got a small beating upstairs. He decided not to take the empty rifle off Sheila.

He went downstairs to phone Bamber's AM. Sheila going downstairs to re load & return upstairs.

Nevill heard upstairs shots & went back upstairs. Seconds after Bamber answered.

Nevill then received his second 'brutal' upstairs beating & 4 shots. Which would have killed him upstairs.

How was Nevill found in the kitchen?

[Adam]

Look forward to an answer.

How Nevill, the broken rifle butt,  smashed watch & smashed ceiling light were all in the kitchen when Nevill is beaten & shot to death upstairs, intrigues me.

[ILB]

I never said he was shot to death upstairs

I never attested any beating of a magnitude would constitute that

I gave you a scenario of the kitchen damage

A smashed kitchen light does not mean it happened during the massacre

I insinuated a kitchen beating you tit

[ILB]

I can create numerous Shelia scenarios.

I won't include the burns though. Because I don't believe they happened that night. My opinion.Im entitled to it.

[Adam]

I never said he was shot to death upstairs

I never attested any beating of a magnitude would constitute that

I gave you a scenario of the kitchen damage

A smashed kitchen light does not mean it happened during the massacre

I insinuated a kitchen beating you tit

So a fully fit Nevill is mildly beaten upstairs. Twice.

Then was shot 4 times upstairs.

Then went downstairs & was beaten a third time.

So that is how the ceiling light got smashed, rifle butt & smashed watch ended in the kitchen.

You never said that in your scenario. You had Sheila knocking over kitchen furniture while everyone is asleep.

Very surprising Nevill did not take the rifle back during his two mild upstairs beatings. Espescially when Sheila puts the rifle inches from his face.

[Adam]

I can create numerous Shelia scenarios.

I won't include the burns though. Because I don't believe they happened that night. My opinion.Im entitled to it.

Seems you need to.

So a badly injured Nevill did not somehow burn his back 3 times on the night. As you said in your scenario.

[lookout]

It sort of defeats the object of misbelieving the damage that Sheila carried out on a 6ft odd 15 stone farmer when you have two burly police officers tackling a 93 year old one-legged man with dementia in a nursing home, who COULDN'T retrieve a knife from him after threatening staff-----so they tasered him and killed him in the process.

Nevill wouldn't have stood a chance against a young psychotic-driven woman, if two officers couldn't even retrieve a knife from a frail 93 year old !

This by the way is some latest news about the dementia sufferer----who I also know can be very violent too, but c'mon, 2 police officers ?

[lookout]

It does beg the question about the firearms team being faced with a full-blown psychotic woman as to whether they did open fire ?

[Adam]

ILB isn't just relying on Nevill letting himself get beaten 3 times (twice mildly) & doing nothing except phone Bamber's AM.

He is relying on June being awake & doing nothing. As Sheila mildly beats Nevill the first time a few feet from her.

Thought a mother, wife & grandmother would do more in her own house.

But as ILB says, June was 'petrified' of a 7 stone woman bare footed in a nightie mildly hitting a 15 stone man with an empty rifle.

June was so scared she didn't even leave her bed when Sheila went downstairs to reload. 

[lookout]

Rubbish !

[Adam]

Rubbish !

I agree. It's in ILB's Sheila scenario.

[lookout]

Could you retrieve a rifle from a " 7 stone frail woman" in a psychotic episode, or a  knife from 93 year old disabled dementia sufferer, Adam ? Not forgetting it took 2 police officers concerned with the old man ?

[lookout]

You can't seem to get it into your head that it ISN'T about size or disability 

[Adam]

It sort of defeats the object of misbelieving the damage that Sheila carried out on a 6ft odd 15 stone farmer when you have two burly police officers tackling a 93 year old one-legged man with dementia in a nursing home, who COULDN'T retrieve a knife from him after threatening staff-----so they tasered him and killed him in the process.

Nevill wouldn't have stood a chance against a young psychotic-driven woman, if two officers couldn't even retrieve a knife from a frail 93 year old !

This by the way is some latest news about the dementia sufferer----who I also know can be very violent too, but c'mon, 2 police officers ?

Lookout making up stories again. Unless she posts the source.