End of the road ?

[Adam]

I wouldn't say that Bamber is intelligent, it seems to be something that he gets labelled with.  I think that manipulative people may possibly come across as intelligent, because the people they manipulate  recognise that they are being controlled in some way by that person.

That may come across as acting in a clever way, and the perception may be that clever people are intelligent.

So there may have been an illusion of intelligence.

But manipulation never really got Bamber anywhere in life.  If anything his behaviour held him back, and increased his anger and frustrations with his life in general.

I would say that his behaviour throughout his life was the opposite of clever.  He influenced people, but in a negative way.

Most, if not all of his friends and acquaintances, seemed to be unsavoury in some way.   He was having multiple affairs with women all at the same time, and they all seemed to be acquainted with each other, and kind of tolerated each other.  Bret Collins comes across as a nasty piece of work, who was happy to do Bamber's dirty work after the murders of his family. Julie Mugford helped him rob his own family business, was happy that he was growing cannabis for the purpose of dealing.

Jeremy Bamber and his circle of friends, including Julie Mugford, were not nice people.

Given that he wasn't backwards in coming forwards, where were all the good people, the loyal friends?  Where were they?  The truth is he didn't have any.  He must have driven them all away with his deviant behaviour.

There is nothing in Jeremy Bamber's life, from his schooldays until prison, that indicate to me that he was intelligent and/or clever.

 

That would have kept him fit for his cycling.

[lookout]

Are you happy in your hideout ? Coward !

[Rob_]

Let's say there's a possibility that the silencer evidence is spurious, as several members here believe. That in itself doesn't make him innocent, but it is motivation enough to keep him looking through the official documents to find further inaccuracies.

I'm not saying I believe this, but it is one explanation.

I agree it does not make JB innocent Steve, but if the silencer evidence is spurious then it's a MOJ either way. Other members are posting about JB's intelligence in this thread, if he really did put the silencer in the cupboard he must be a halfwit! The silencer was obviously planted in my view hopefully I am not entrenched! there are many other aspects that deeply worry me about this case apart from the silencer evidence.

[Rob_]

..because Jeremy Bamber is the master conman, who duped all around him in Essex outside of the Gresham's establishment, where he learned to cut his teeth. By the end Nevill was suspicious and June was driven to bouts of tears, Sheila intuitively fearful as she dialled the number at Colin's party and passed the receiver over to him. Those who support him now either knew him in his Jubilee photograph days, when he knew his place, if even then somewhat arrogant, or came to know him post-murders but had no knowledge of the victims personally, and again were taken in by his bluff, his bluster and superficial yet deadly charm.

What is your connection to the case Steve? I know little about Bamber have never spoke or wrote to him, I just look at the evidence and to me it's a clear MOJ that is an embarrassment to our judicial system.   

[Adam]

I agree it does not make JB innocent Steve, but if the silencer evidence is spurious then it's a MOJ either way. Other members are posting about JB's intelligence in this thread, if he really did put the silencer in the cupboard he must be a halfwit! The silencer was obviously planted in my view hopefully I am not entrenched! there are many other aspects that deeply worry me about this case apart from the silencer evidence.

Who planted it? Not the relatives. They found it.

[Rob_]

Who planted it? Not the relatives. They found it.

Yes I know they found it Adam, after five officers had searched the gun cupboard.

[Steve_uk]

What is your connection to the case Steve? I know little about Bamber have never spoke or wrote to him, I just look at the evidence and to me it's a clear MOJ that is an embarrassment to our judicial system.

The only indirect connection is I'm from the same area as Julie, attended a similar school and we both ended up working for the ILEA (Inner London Education Authority) at a time when working in inner city schools was a tough job. Please don't say there are other tough jobs out there because I've heard it all before. Suffice to say I sympathized with her mental state at the time, which may have skewed her judgement as regards inaction to prevent the murders. That doesn't mean that I excuse her behaviour; just without wishing to sound pompous I have more of an insight into what she was going through on a professional level than most other people.

[Rob_]

The only indirect connection is I'm from the same area as Julie, attended a similar school and we both ended up working for the ILEA (Inner London Education Authority) at a time when working in inner city schools was a tough job. Please don't say there are other tough jobs out there because I've heard it all before. Suffice to say I sympathized with her mental state at the time, which may have skewed her judgement as regards inaction to prevent the murders. That doesn't mean that I excuse her behaviour; just without wishing to sound pompous I have more of an insight into what she was going through on a professional level than most other people.

Thanks Steve.

[lookout]

..because Jeremy Bamber is the master conman, who duped all around him in Essex outside of the Gresham's establishment, where he learned to cut his teeth. By the end Nevill was suspicious and June was driven to bouts of tears, Sheila intuitively fearful as she dialled the number at Colin's party and passed the receiver over to him. Those who support him now either knew him in his Jubilee photograph days, when he knew his place, if even then somewhat arrogant, or came to know him post-murders but had no knowledge of the victims personally, and again were taken in by his bluff, his bluster and superficial yet deadly charm.

Steve, I'm an ordinary UK citizen, but at the same time I KNOW if someone's a " con " or not so why is it that those of a professional capacity can't see or sense a " con " ?
People such as QC's, lawyers, psychiatrists, forensic experts and those who have a connection to the law have no sense whatsoever which is why they're helping JB ? You say they're being conned / duped ?

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I'm an ordinary UK citizen, but at the same time I KNOW if someone's a " con " or not so why is it that those of a professional capacity can't see or sense a " con " ?
People such as QC's, lawyers, psychiatrists, forensic experts and those who have a connection to the law have no sense whatsoever which is why they're helping JB ? You say they're being conned / duped ?

I don't dispute the motives of some of those helping Bamber to appeal against his life tariff. Some on his team come across to me as more polished than others. I've always said there should be a barrister such as Michael Mansfield charged with viewing all the evidence, so conspiracy theories can be put to bed.

[ILB]

My sister is a teacher.

Unfortunately teachers develop grandiose complexes.

Think they are god

[Steve_uk]

My sister is a teacher.

Unfortunately teachers develop grandiose complexes.

Think they are god

No but they have to command respect. Maybe there's another reason why you don't enjoy cordial relations with your sister.

[Adam]

Dear Mr Bamber.


I have been following the case for a long time. I am not going to start the machinations of your innocence or guilt. From my own personal opinion I am undecided. But I hope you can find it in yourself to answer a question that I am interested in finding out.

How did you wake and became alerted to a call from your father nevill at 3am approx on August 7th 1985?. It is said you had an AM. A person I am in contact with says that your father's phonecall was futile in that you had an AM and could not awake in time due to you being " asleep like a log

I just want to hear your opinion on this matter. You say it happened. I want to hear the words from the horses mouth ( Jeremy Bamber himsel) I have enclosed a first class stamped letter enclosed for you to reply with. I am completely aware that due to you being CAT A it may take time for you to reply.

Again I do not cast doubt on the claim of your innocence. I am not trying to trip you up. I am open minded. I just wish for your opinion.

( I also included personal details that I will not divulge on an internet forum) such as my real name. Our time in long lartin was referenced.

When a reply if it does come through from Jeremy Bamber himself I will duly post

Seems that Bamber did not reply.