End of the road ?

[lookout]

Can anyone explain why so many are working behind the scenes for JB if they think he's guilty ?
I'm talking police officers, either working or retired. A team of forensic experts. A QC or two, lawyers and of course JB's many supporters.

[Steve_uk]

Can anyone explain why so many are working behind the scenes for JB if they think he's guilty ?
I'm talking police officers, either working or retired. A team of forensic experts. A QC or two, lawyers and of course JB's many supporters.

..because Jeremy Bamber is the master conman, who duped all around him in Essex outside of the Gresham's establishment, where he learned to cut his teeth. By the end Nevill was suspicious and June was driven to bouts of tears, Sheila intuitively fearful as she dialled the number at Colin's party and passed the receiver over to him. Those who support him now either knew him in his Jubilee photograph days, when he knew his place, if even then somewhat arrogant, or came to know him post-murders but had no knowledge of the victims personally, and again were taken in by his bluff, his bluster and superficial yet deadly charm.

[Steve_uk]

How am I supportive towards Bamber?

Of course you're on his side: as the saying goes "there's honour among thieves.". Except you're out of your depth ILB, because you too have been deceived by outward appearances and slick manner, hiding the cold, calculating individual who escalated his crimes solely from robbery to mass murder in one reckless gamble, depriving five people of life in the process, including twin six-year-old boys of whom Jeremy became insanely jealous and who had of necessity to be snuffed out to make his plan financially worthwhile.

[ILB]

Well he didn't con Auckland  drug dealers according to Brett Collins. They duped him out of £5000

Week off work. Currently watching that four part Louie theroux documentary for the first time

[Steve_uk]

Well he didn't con Auckland  drug dealers according to Brett Collins. They duped him out of £5000

Week off work. Currently watching that four part Louie theroux documentary for the first time

He was in the drugs trade in Essex though, wasn't he, consuming cannabis himself to boot and moody without it.

[ILB]

He was in the drugs trade in Essex though, wasn't he, consuming cannabis himself to boot and moody without it.

Possibly.

Very shocked though Steve as I watch this james Richards was called to chelsmford. All he heard was a off the cuff remark what Bamber is supposed to have uttered

I imagine my own children probably say to their friends " I fucking hate dad" if I refuse to buy them the latest phone etc.

[Steve_uk]

Possibly.

Very shocked though Steve as I watch this james Richards was called to chelsmford. All he heard was a off the cuff remark what Bamber is supposed to have uttered

I imagine my own children probably say to their friends " I fucking hate dad" if I refuse to buy them the latest phone etc.

Well the verdict of the trial didn't rely solely on James Richards' evidence, but the cumulative effect of the evidence against him.

[Adam]

Possibly.

Very shocked though Steve as I watch this james Richards was called to chelsmford. All he heard was a off the cuff remark what Bamber is supposed to have uttered

I imagine my own children probably say to their friends " I fucking hate dad" if I refuse to buy them the latest phone etc.

Bamber was in his 20's when saying it. It was 'parents', not 'dad'.

[ILB]

Bamber was in his 20's when saying it. It was 'parents', not 'dad'.

I know it was parents what he apparently said

why the man got called to trial I don't know

do you agree it was more than likely a throwaway remark at the time?

[ILB]

Of course you're on his side: as the saying goes "there's honour among thieves.". Except you're out of your depth ILB, because you too have been deceived by outward appearances and slick manner, hiding the cold, calculating individual who escalated his crimes solely from robbery to mass murder in one reckless gamble, depriving five people of life in the process, including twin six-year-old boys of whom Jeremy became insanely jealous and who had of necessity to be snuffed out to make his plan financially worthwhile.

I'm not on his side. I have not seen or spoke to Jeremy Bamber since 1995. I don't support him financial wise. The first I have had any recent contact is a letter I sent to him a week or so ago.

In my younger years I was involved with much heavier criminals then Jeremy Bamber. Of no names I will mention. I've done the jail for it though. So I can mention it.

  Stop making him out to be a master conman of high intelligence. He was a barman and farm labourer. He was of average intelligence. He was privately educated at Greshams. He didn't excel at anything

Steve do you hate people from poor backgrounds?

[Steve_uk]

I'm not on his side. I have not seen or spoke to Jeremy Bamber since 1995. I don't support him financial wise. The first I have had any recent contact is a letter I sent to him a week or so ago.

In my younger years I was involved with much heavier criminals then Jeremy Bamber. Of no names I will mention. I've done the jail for it though. So I can mention it.

  Stop making him out to be a master conman of high intelligence. He was a barman and farm labourer. He was of average intelligence. He was privately educated at Greshams. He didn't excel at anything

Steve do you hate people from poor backgrounds?

He had animal cunning. He took some qualifications at Colchester College. Okay he wasn't particularly academic. Why as a Christian should I hate people from poor backgrounds?  There would be no point in attending Church if I did.

[ILB]

He had animal cunning. He took some qualifications at Colchester College. Okay he wasn't particularly academic. Why as a Christian should I hate people from poor backgrounds?  There would be no point in attending Church if I did.

A hunch I guess. You seem to celebrate academia.

[snow66!]

ILB & Mike have been in prison & met Bamber. They are very supportive. Lookout supports Bamber because he sent her a Christmas card.

Snow66! & Rob have so far not given a good reason for their support.

I am about to give Killingeve an answer as to why I have reasonable doubt Adam,that may answer your question,I suspect Rob would give roughly the same answer.

[Cambridgecutie]

I'm not on his side. I have not seen or spoke to Jeremy Bamber since 1995. I don't support him financial wise. The first I have had any recent contact is a letter I sent to him a week or so ago.

In my younger years I was involved with much heavier criminals then Jeremy Bamber. Of no names I will mention. I've done the jail for it though. So I can mention it.

  Stop making him out to be a master conman of high intelligence. He was a barman and farm labourer. He was of average intelligence. He was privately educated at Greshams. He didn't excel at anything

Steve do you hate people from poor backgrounds?

I wouldn't say that Bamber is intelligent, it seems to be something that he gets labelled with.  I think that manipulative people may possibly come across as intelligent, because the people they manipulate  recognise that they are being controlled in some way by that person.

That may come across as acting in a clever way, and the perception may be that clever people are intelligent.

So there may have been an illusion of intelligence.

But manipulation never really got Bamber anywhere in life.  If anything his behaviour held him back, and increased his anger and frustrations with his life in general.

I would say that his behaviour throughout his life was the opposite of clever.  He influenced people, but in a negative way.

Most, if not all of his friends and acquaintances, seemed to be unsavoury in some way.   He was having multiple affairs with women all at the same time, and they all seemed to be acquainted with each other, and kind of tolerated each other.  Bret Collins comes across as a nasty piece of work, who was happy to do Bamber's dirty work after the murders of his family. Julie Mugford helped him rob his own family business, was happy that he was growing cannabis for the purpose of dealing.

Jeremy Bamber and his circle of friends, including Julie Mugford, were not nice people.

Given that he wasn't backwards in coming forwards, where were all the good people, the loyal friends?  Where were they?  The truth is he didn't have any.  He must have driven them all away with his deviant behaviour.

There is nothing in Jeremy Bamber's life, from his schooldays until prison, that indicate to me that he was intelligent and/or clever.

 

[Steve_uk]

I wouldn't say that Bamber is intelligent, it seems to be something that he gets labelled with.  I think that manipulative people may possibly come across as intelligent, because the people they manipulate  recognise that they are being controlled in some way by that person.

That may come across as acting in a clever way, and the perception may be that clever people are intelligent.

So there may have been an illusion of intelligence.

But manipulation never really got Bamber anywhere in life.  If anything his behaviour held him back, and increased his anger and frustrations with his life in general.

I would say that his behaviour throughout his life was the opposite of clever.  He influenced people, but in a negative way.

Most, if not all of his friends and acquaintances, seemed to be unsavoury in some way.   He was having multiple affairs with women all at the same time, and they all seemed to be acquainted with each other, and kind of tolerated each other.  Bret Collins comes across as a nasty piece of work, who was happy to do Bamber's dirty work after the murders of his family. Julie Mugford helped him rob his own family business, was happy that he was growing cannabis for the purpose of dealing.

Jeremy Bamber and his circle of friends, including Julie Mugford, were not nice people.

Given that he wasn't backwards in coming forwards, where were all the good people, the loyal friends?  Where were they?  The truth is he didn't have any.  He must have driven them all away with his deviant behaviour.

There is nothing in Jeremy Bamber's life, from his schooldays until prison, that indicate to me that he was intelligent and/or clever.

 

Julie has redeemed herself, as much as it is possible so to do. https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/minimal-entry-england-chelmsford-ext-julie-mugford-news-footage/1273842477?adppopup=true

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