End of the road ?

[snow66!]

I was more talking along the lines of Jeremy's time inside as a convicted child killer.

Since going downstairs to the bowels of Chelmsford crown court in October 1986. He has adamantly been on a campaign of innocence.

Hence why his time inside has not been as bad

Jail has been Jeremy's life for the past 37 years. Everyday he talked about his case. It his is entire life. He has convinced many a prisoner and staff member of his innocence.

Yes,very interesting ILB.It seems very unlikely to me that a homicidal nutter would spent every day in prison searching for evidence to clear his name,if guilty,he must know that no such evidence exists.

[Steve_uk]

I absolutely understand where you are coming from Steve,obviously you are a very caring person appalled at what happened to the Bamber family,one hundred percent sure of JBs guilt.But just take a minute to think about what ILB has said above,that many,even other prisoners and prison officers believe in Bambers innocence.

I will say it again,I firmly believe now,that reasonable doubt is the only sensible view to take in the JB case.I dont know why you are so sure of his guilt with the available evidence.

Prison officer is just another job, like teacher or caretaker or politician. It puts food on the table. It doesn't give you a special insight into an individual's condition or character. Bamber is a mountebank, a charlatan, who has deceived many people for a good number of years. Some like Trudy saw the light and got away from his sway. Julie was not so lucky.

[snow66!]

Prison officer is just another job, like teacher or caretaker or politician. It puts food on the table. It doesn't give you a special insight into an individual's condition or character. Bamber is a mountebank, a charlatan, who has deceived many people for a good number of years. Some like Trudy saw the light and got away from his sway. Julie was not so lucky.

But who or what made YOU so sure of his guilt Steve,and why do you feel so strongly about it? You almost seems that you hate Bamber with a vengeance.

[Steve_uk]

Yes,very interesting ILB.It seems very unlikely to me that a homicidal nutter would spent every day in prison searching for evidence to clear his name,if guilty,he must know that no such evidence exists.

Let's say there's a possibility that the silencer evidence is spurious, as several members here believe. That in itself doesn't make him innocent, but it is motivation enough to keep him looking through the official documents to find further inaccuracies.

I'm not saying I believe this, but it is one explanation.

[Steve_uk]

But who or what made YOU so sure of his guilt Steve,and why do you feel so strongly about it? You almost seems that you hate Bamber with a vengeance.

I try not to hate because it's such a negative emotion it's destructive of self. I detest the actions of Bamber, which have caused misery for Colin especially and deprived five of life. It's really quite despicable. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=colin+caffell+photos&sxsrf=ALiCzsb_rTuzssR82e72jBQS1IExxtcMAA:1659304564805&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=lLzOLhc8rIjgJM%252C7NpdEz7nNpq4tM%252C_%253BjrcC1sNFxmSIQM%252CMJDuZs1kDXMf4M%252C_%253ByYW1mtidUc30TM%252CUCfPrvP1b0gCNM%252C_%253BTvlNW8asOYP9jM%252C7NpdEz7nNpq4tM%252C_%253BN-QO1eAJnlpGYM%252Cxnom0RZmUfqmNM%252C_%253B0mqvpBzwL-5P0M%252CpLRvADYXgkl-6M%252C_%253BCAjqbzRyd9mgzM%252Cpwc7gHHo0-8_gM%252C_%253BczPyOtXpydicOM%252CvesHYGlOTwGdxM%252C_%253BrwZeUB_mSF6n7M%252CjW56l79g3wWWnM%252C_%253BmkPCaxNPdHc-EM%252CxvE-RgifK0HaaM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRmTVh1aLwLqmVBri6cFPaSDq_Wmg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz8KKZj6T5AhUNiVwKHRPKCW4Q9QF6BAgCEAE#imgrc=lLzOLhc8rIjgJM

[snow66!]

Bamber is either a good actor or the unluckiest man in the world.

I get offended when Adam calls me a hardcore supporter because I don't support a conviction

It truly shows he has no idea

I have always looked at the case from a neutral prosepective.

I do lean to innocence though

This guy was a lamb to the slaughter from September 1985. Nobody will never convince me otherwise.

Well,Adam seems to be another person with a slightly unhealthy dislike of Bamber for some reason ILB.Heaven knows why.

[snow66!]

I try not to hate because it's such a negative emotion it's destructive of self. I detest the actions of Bamber, which have caused misery for Colin especially and deprived five of life. It's really quite despicable. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=colin+caffell+photos&sxsrf=ALiCzsb_rTuzssR82e72jBQS1IExxtcMAA:1659304564805&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=lLzOLhc8rIjgJM%252C7NpdEz7nNpq4tM%252C_%253BjrcC1sNFxmSIQM%252CMJDuZs1kDXMf4M%252C_%253ByYW1mtidUc30TM%252CUCfPrvP1b0gCNM%252C_%253BTvlNW8asOYP9jM%252C7NpdEz7nNpq4tM%252C_%253BN-QO1eAJnlpGYM%252Cxnom0RZmUfqmNM%252C_%253B0mqvpBzwL-5P0M%252CpLRvADYXgkl-6M%252C_%253BCAjqbzRyd9mgzM%252Cpwc7gHHo0-8_gM%252C_%253BczPyOtXpydicOM%252CvesHYGlOTwGdxM%252C_%253BrwZeUB_mSF6n7M%252CjW56l79g3wWWnM%252C_%253BmkPCaxNPdHc-EM%252CxvE-RgifK0HaaM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRmTVh1aLwLqmVBri6cFPaSDq_Wmg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz8KKZj6T5AhUNiVwKHRPKCW4Q9QF6BAgCEAE#imgrc=lLzOLhc8rIjgJM

But if you have no connection to the Bambers or Colin,you shouldn't take the case so personally Steve.It will do your health no good getting worked up over it.

[Steve_uk]

But if you have no connection to the Bambers or Colin,you shouldn't take the case so personally Steve.It will do your health no good getting worked up over it.

I've learned strategies over the years to keep calm. They do work mostly.

[snow66!]

I've learned strategies over the years to keep calm. They do work mostly.

Well,I wouldn't like to think I was causing you distress and raising your blood pressure Steve.As I have said before,I did not join this forum to offend people and make enemies,I think we can discuss the case in a friendly way without too much name calling.

[snow66!]

Words of the day--exculpation and mountebank! 

[Cambridgecutie]

But who or what made YOU so sure of his guilt Steve,and why do you feel so strongly about it? You almost seems that you hate Bamber with a vengeance.

It's nothing to do with hating anyone.

It's about looking at the evidence in a calm and neutral and logical way.

Most people who are new to this, like myself, come to this forum having been exposed to Jeremy Bamber's many press releases over the years. As well as the Campaign Team website.

The call logs, the now notorious wet blood images, the speaking to someone in the farm, the challenge to persons in the house, the multiple silencers, the moving of the bodies, the gun against the window....and so  on and so on...all on the surface make Bamber look like he might be innocent. 

But on closer inspection - and with neutral eyes - it becomes clear that something is wrong with the evidence Bamber presents...like the 'sender' and 'receiver' boxes on the call logs, that supporters never explained. That's one of the things I noticed early on.  Those boxes prove that Bamber's version of events is wrong.

It eventually becomes apparent that Bamber is deliberately misrepresenting evidence, by taking individual sheets of paper out of context, and fabricating stories to make him look innocent.

Once you tune into that behaviour, it becomes quite easy to pick apart the lies.

I did a bit more digging and found out that in 2012 the CCRC described the very same 'evidence' as "pure speculation and multiple unsubstantiated allegations".

So it's not hate that makes people think that Bamber is guilty, it is the truth that makes people think that Bamber is guilty.

I can see and understand why people want to support Bamber, and want to believe him, because it becomes an Us vs Them contest, the evil state Vs a defenceless individual.

But that is an emotion, and a negative one at that. We all love to hate authority.  And with Bamber we get to do that.  The police, the Judiciary, the Government, the entire British State, they are all in it together, protecting each other.  Except in this case, they are not.

Roswell was a weather balloon, Jeremy Bamber killed his family.

There is no hate from people who say Bamber is guilty, it's just that they are the people who look at the evidence in its totality, because only then can you see the whole picture, only then can you see the truth.

But to get there you have to put all negative emotion to one side, which is what I did.

[Adam]

ILB & Mike have been in prison & met Bamber. They are very supportive. Lookout supports Bamber because he sent her a Christmas card.

Snow66! & Rob have so far not given a good reason for their support.

[ILB]

ILB & Mike have been in prison & met Bamber. They are very supportive. Lookout supports Bamber because he sent her a Christmas card.

Snow66! & Rob have so far not given a good reason for their support.

Adam doesn't like Bamber because Bamber copped off with his girlfriend in the 80s

Why are you so disrespectful and patronising towards lookout?

[Adam]

Adam doesn't like Bamber because Bamber copped off with his girlfriend in the 80s

Wasn't born then.

[ILB]

Wasn't born then.

How am I supportive towards Bamber?