End of the road ?

[Adam]

My god Adam,her statements are all over the place.She states that she told Bamber to STOP talking about killing his family which made her break down and cry at one point.Yet we are supposed to believe that JB was so sure that Julie would accept what he had done and keep quiet,that he stopped her going to work and join him at his cottage with the cops present.

Another thing,she states that through time she realized that JB had carried out the murders himself,and that he addmitted to her that he needed help,yet she STILL told police about Matthew.There are many things that dont make sense in her statements Adam,except for her first one that is.

Her statements are perfectly in order. You know this.

Even Bamber's defence lawyers said it had a 'ring of truth'.

But appreciate supporters have to refuse to accept this.

[Adam]

Bamber's defence did look for something that would bring Julie's evidence 'crashing down'.

They didn't find it.

[Adam]

My god Adam,her statements are all over the place.She states that she told Bamber to STOP talking about killing his family which made her break down and cry at one point.Yet we are supposed to believe that JB was so sure that Julie would accept what he had done and keep quiet,that he stopped her going to work and join him at his cottage with the cops present.

Another thing,she states that through time she realized that JB had carried out the murders himself,and that he addmitted to her that he needed help,yet she STILL told police about Matthew.There are many things that dont make sense in her statements Adam,except for her first one that is.

I would rather have Julie where I can see her. Rather than hundreds of miles away.

[Adam]

My god Adam,her statements are all over the place.She states that she told Bamber to STOP talking about killing his family which made her break down and cry at one point.Yet we are supposed to believe that JB was so sure that Julie would accept what he had done and keep quiet,that he stopped her going to work and join him at his cottage with the cops present.

Another thing,she states that through time she realized that JB had carried out the murders himself,and that he addmitted to her that he needed help,yet she STILL told police about Matthew.There are many things that dont make sense in her statements Adam,except for her first one that is.

That is because that is what Bamber told her.

[Steve_uk]

My god Adam,her statements are all over the place.She states that she told Bamber to STOP talking about killing his family which made her break down and cry at one point.Yet we are supposed to believe that JB was so sure that Julie would accept what he had done and keep quiet,that he stopped her going to work and join him at his cottage with the cops present.

Another thing,she states that through time she realized that JB had carried out the murders himself,and that he addmitted to her that he needed help,yet she STILL told police about Matthew.There are many things that dont make sense in her statements Adam,except for her first one that is.

What were Jeremy's experiences with women really? Any female role models spring to mind? Sex objects almost certainly. One night stands. An aloof, religious woman he couldn't relate to. A mentally-ill sister he couldn't understand. A barmaid who was married with three children. Then finally an intelligent woman who doted on him and whom he used as a doormat.

Shown in that light things do begin to make a little more sense.

[snow66!]

What were Jeremy's experiences with women really? Any female role models spring to mind? Sex objects almost certainly. One night stands. An aloof, religious woman he couldn't relate to. A mentally-ill sister he couldn't understand. A barmaid who was married with three children. Then finally an intelligent woman who doted on him and whom he used as a doormat.

Shown in that light things do begin to make a little more sense.

Hi Steve,are you saying because JB was/is a psychopath with no feelings,that he did not know how others,ie Julie,could or would act? Or how does things make sense?

[snow66!]

I would rather have Julie where I can see her. Rather than hundreds of miles away.

Why? Wasn't he sure if he could trust her to keep quiet?

[snow66!]

Why was Sheila in a 'blind rage' at 3am?

I think its called a psychotic episode Adam,it happens now and again with schizophreniacs,

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve,are you saying because JB was/is a psychopath with no feelings,that he did not know how others,ie Julie,could or would act? Or how does things make sense?

I think that's coming close snow66!. Remember the first secret he divulged at Gresham's concerning his parenthood he was labelled "The Bastard", at a time when the school was an all-male environment. So he never really trusted male company thereafter.

[Steve_uk]

I think its called a psychotic episode Adam,it happens now and again with schizophreniacs,

Yes but what had transpired in previous psychotic episodes? She banged her fists against the wall in frustration.

[ILB]

In a sense his schooling was no worse than many others.

I would love to have met John fielding. By all accounts he was close to Bamber at greshams

[Steve_uk]

In a sense his schooling was no worse than many others.

I would love to have met John fielding. By all accounts he was close to Bamber at greshams

I doubt he would have anything useful to add after all this time. Didn't Bamber say it was easier to settle into Long Lartin than Gresham's? Strange how different individuals experience prison differently.

[ILB]

I doubt he would have anything useful to add after all this time. Didn't Bamber say it was easier to settle into Long Lartin than Gresham's? Strange how different individuals experience prison differently.

What I have noticed about Bamber that many of the company he kept close friends wise were people older than himself.

Brett Collins, Malcolm deckers, waters, sue ford.

I am not privy to Jeremy's friend group in 1985 but he doesn't seem to have any particular friends close to own age group

Reference prison. By the time I'd met him he had been in for eight years. So would have been an old hand in many respects. I think from what I have heard from people who I know who have served time with him before long lartin is that he took to prison like a duck out of water.

Take guilt or innocence out of the equation Jeremy Bamber is a strong character. No one can disagree with that.

[ILB]

I would rather have Julie where I can see her. Rather than hundreds of miles away.

To be honest if I had planned something of this magnitude I wouldn't have told nobody.

If gulity, this was his biggest downfall

[snow66!]

I think that's coming close snow66!. Remember the first secret he divulged at Gresham's concerning his parenthood he was labelled "The Bastard", at a time when the school was an all-male environment. So he never really trusted male company thereafter.

Well,I am not sure about all that Steve,does teasing at school turn you into a homicidal maniac in the future? Haven't we all been teased and bullied a bit by the older boys at school? Most of us forgive and forget.As fot not trusting male company after the parenthood jibe,wasn't he accused of having many male friends,shall we say,What about Brett?