Burning down of the caravan park shop.

[Adam]

No he denied everything. Claimed total innocence

A stance he has kept since 1985

Blackadder to Baldrick - 'deny everything'.

Didn't do them much good either.

You are a supporter. No question.

[ILB]

Blackadder to Baldrick - 'deny everything'.

Didn't do them much good either.

You are a supporter. No question.

I am a realist

Big shock. People will have an opinion that will differ to yours. You don't have to respect it. But it has been the ways of the world since Adam (no pun intended) and eve.

I have never championed Jeremy Bambers innocence

[Adam]

I am a realist

Big shock. People will have an opinion that will differ to yours. You don't have to respect it. But it has been the ways of the world since Adam (no pun intended) and eve.

I have never championed Jeremy Bambers innocence

You make Lookout look like a mild supporter.

Nothing wrong with that. Yvonne & Phillip are passionate supporters.

[ILB]

You make Lookout look like a mild supporter.

Nothing wrong with that. Yvonne & Phillip are passionate supporters.

I am not a supporter.

I met Jeremy Bamber in prison in 1993.

We have no contact with each other anymore

[Adam]

I am not a supporter.

I met Jeremy Bamber in prison in 1993.

We have no contact with each other anymore

What makes Bamber guilty?

[ILB]

What makes Bamber guilty?

What do you mean?  Do you mean what do I think as a fence sitter makes him gulity?

[Adam]

What do you mean?  Do you mean what do I think as a fence sitter makes him gulity?

Yes.

[ILB]

Yes.

You should have asked.

The leaving out of the rifle excuse to police. Convenient. Nevill Bamber was fastidious with rifles. Bamber saying he took the rifle out to shoot rabbits ties in with a narrative where he could make out Shelia would have access to a rifle. Because Nevills practice was to make sure they were locked out of site.

Not phoning 999 I don't place a lot on it

 The milestone comment to Colin Caffell.

General behaviour. Contacting basil cock a day after his parents death. Not grieving " properly" but how does someone grieve.

[ILB]

The countless holidays. They don't point to guilt. I've referenced it to you. But circumstancial wise they point to an individual who is wishing to " make him self scarce"

[Roch]

Those marks were probably made when Sheila lifted her hand to her throat, smudged the blood around the wound, and put her arm back down again.

So, spots of blood land on her arm, after being shot once, with her arm being fairly level with the floor, so gravity doesn't make the blood drip down.  Then, in shock after being shot first time, she moves her hand to the wound.  Gravity then makes the blood move, then her arm moves back down.  The blood stops moving, congeals a bit, then she gets shot a second time and dies.

That is how I understand those streaks of blood were produced in the way that they were.

You have to remember that there were 10 people that observed the post mortem, and the bodies were washed.  So any physical wounds would have been noticed and noted.

4 of the 10 people in the post mortem were police officers who fully expected the pathologists to concur that Sheila had murdered everyone and then shot herself.  So anything that jollied that along would be gratefully accepted.

Off the top of my head, there was Vanezis, an assistant, 2 students, 4 police, then two others who I can't remember.

The pathologists were very aware when they examined the bodies, what the police wanted to hear.  And all they were looking for at that time, was confirmation that Sheila committed the crime, then killed herself.

Thanks for response. I will reply properly to this post and one of David's posts on the same topic, when I get the chance.

[ILB]

The window of opportunity. Something we both seem to agree on.

I have always stated the window of opportunity was there. It doesn't prove guilt or innocence. But he has no alibi. But to be fair how can a man who lives alone in a cottage have an alibi at that time of night?

[snow66!]

I am not a supporter.

I met Jeremy Bamber in prison in 1993.

We have no contact with each other anymore

Hi ILb,was Bamber an intelligent person? Killingeve seems to think not.

[lookout]

I would have said that JB was/is intelligent, but by no means clever ! A huge difference.


 killingeve said " gravity doesn't make the blood drip down ". It does,you know ! Any liquid which is dropped runs to find its own level----downwards. Gravity is downwards in anyone's language. Falling, like the proverbial apple off the tree.

[ILB]

Hi ILb,was Bamber an intelligent person? Killingeve seems to think not.

He seemed reasonably intelligent. A very very confident guy.

I don't think you can really judge intelligence in trying to get away with murder. Time has shown bright intellectual people have come a cropper, while people who would be seen as " thick" have gotten away with murder

It's not the same for every crime. And it's not the same for every criminal

[snow66!]

He seemed reasonably intelligent. A very very confident guy.

I don't think you can really judge intelligence in trying to get away with murder. Time has shown bright intellectual people have come a cropper, while people who would be seen as " thick" have gotten away with murder

It's not the same for every crime. And it's not the same for every criminal

Thanks ILB,so you would describe him as someone with an average IQ,by no means backward,shall we say? Its just that I have noticed a few digs about not being the sharpest,but this may just be from guilters being nasty.