Burning down of the caravan park shop.

[Adam]

What was Nevills role in osea if any? His baby was WHF, north Maldon growers. I thought the speakman Boutflour side of the family ran the osea aspect.

Steve might know that.

[Adam]

Julie would not be involved in the caravan site shop being burned down.

If there relationship lasted 18 months, it had either not started or was just starting in March 84.

A year & 19 months later, he felt comfortable involving Julie.

[lookout]

Do we know if Sheila had shares in the caravan site as Jeremy did ?

[lookout]

The only relevant statement was that of Freddie Emami's who gives a better description of someone in an advanced psychotic state----more so than Ferguson.
In normal conditions, Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds, added to that, a psychotic episide and you have a recipe for disaster.

[Cambridgecutie]

The only relevant statement was that of Freddie Emami's who gives a better description of someone in an advanced psychotic state----more so than Ferguson.
In normal conditions, Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds, added to that, a psychotic episide and you have a recipe for disaster.

It's not true to say that 'Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds'.  It's true that she was highly strung, but only exhibited negative reactions when  she felt cheated, or let down.  She was insecure, that's all.  Like a lot of people.

It is quite grotesque to caricature her well documented personality as 'Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds'. 

The Schizophrenia she suffered from is totally separate from her day to day personality, which has been overwhelmingly described as fun loving, friendly and loving.

Paragraph 518 of the 2002 CoA proves beyond reasonable doubt (according to 3 CoA judges), that Sheila was murdered.  It doesn't prove in itself that Jeremy Bamber is guilty, but it does prove that Sheila was murdered.  And that means that Sheila is innocent.

Cruel and senseless character assassinations of Sheila Caffell will never change the facts.

[Adam]

Possibly someone called Dennis Wager, as the following is in Carol Ann Lee's book:

Dennis Wager was also hired to construct a new shop at Osea Road after
the old one was destroyed by fire; it was the second case of suspected arson at the site. Jeremy was given the responsibility of planning the layout, advertising the lease, and estimating costs.

Wager disliked working with him: "He appeared full of his own importance. He was also always trying to impress upon people that he was one of the governors."

This excerpt was attributed to:  Dennis Wager's  w/s, 23 September 1985.  But I don't know  if she's attributing Dennis Wager for the whole story, or just the bit in quotes at the end.

Not sure if Dennis Wager's W/S is available anywhere.  I haven't looked.

There isn't anything about Jeremy Bamber actually committing the arson.

It seems that Bamber got his wish to be involved in the development of a new caravan site shop.

After the last one mysteriously burnt down.

[lookout]

It's not true to say that 'Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds'.  It's true that she was highly strung, but only exhibited negative reactions when  she felt cheated, or let down.  She was insecure, that's all.  Like a lot of people.

It is quite grotesque to caricature her well documented personality as 'Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds'. 

The Schizophrenia she suffered from is totally separate from her day to day personality, which has been overwhelmingly described as fun loving, friendly and loving.

Paragraph 518 of the 2002 CoA proves beyond reasonable doubt (according to 3 CoA judges), that Sheila was murdered.  It doesn't prove in itself that Jeremy Bamber is guilty, but it does prove that Sheila was murdered.  And that means that Sheila is innocent.

Cruel and senseless character assassinations of Sheila Caffell will never change the facts.

This was stated by someone who knew Sheila well and who also helped her financially as well as giving her support.

[lookout]

Using words such as " grotesque "  certainly gives me an insight of the sort of character you are !
I'm NOT in the habit of using such language personally----but each to his own!

NOR was it a character assassination toward Sheila, it was as it was with the type of illness she had.

[lookout]

@ killingeve---kindly read Freddie Emami's statement !

[lookout]

When you've had dealings with someone who's been in a psychotic meltdown, then you can use the word " grotesque " as this best describes their behaviour when it happens----and not towards the person/ onlooker who's describing the situation that someone can change in a split second from being normal to one who's completely unrecognisable !

[Adam]

When you've had dealings with someone who's been in a psychotic meltdown, then you can use the word " grotesque " as this best describes their behaviour when it happens----and not towards the person/ onlooker who's describing the situation that someone can change in a split second from being normal to one who's completely unrecognisable !

Sounds like me after a few drinks.

[lookout]

Sounds like me after a few drinks.

That would account for your skewed posts then.

[Cambridgecutie]

When you've had dealings with someone who's been in a psychotic meltdown, then you can use the word " grotesque " as this best describes their behaviour when it happens----and not towards the person/ onlooker who's describing the situation that someone can change in a split second from being normal to one who's completely unrecognisable !

You said 'In normal conditions, Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds'

You were commenting on Sheila's character outside of any mental health issues or breakdowns.

But even during a breakdown, there is no evidence that your appalling comment on her character - laced with anger and ignorance - resembled anything approaching the truth.

You are just using loose words and angry opinion to make Sheila look guilty, because you are struggling to find any actual evidence of guilt.

But aside from that, it's proven that she was murdered.  Paragraph 518 of the 2002 CoA refers to a piece of forensic science, that for the last 20 years, legally proves that Sheila was murdered.

Michael Turner QC (Jeremy Bamber's defence lawyer at the time) declined to contradict or dismiss that evidence in any way in 2002, which was interpreted by the 3 judges at the 2002 CoA as Michael Turner QC, agreeing with the strength of the evidence.  Which met with no subsequent protest from Michael Turner QC. 

To my knowledge, Jeremy Bamber has never publicly attempted to make any challenge to that evidence.  Privately he may well have done, but if the results favoured the prosecution, then he's not going to make that public. 

To my knowledge Jeremy Bamber's supporters have never made any serious, credible challenge to that evidence.  Screaming the words 'corruption' or 'cover up', and flinging insults around doesn't count.

[Adam]

That would account for your skewed posts then.

I never drink and post.

Drink & dance, yes.

[Jane]

This was stated by someone who knew Sheila well and who also helped her financially as well as giving her support.

Lookout, I think you must be talking about Freddie Armani? Whilst he certainly claimed, having witnessed Sheila having a psychotic episode, to have feared for his life, and I'm certain it would have been terrifying to witness, if we look at the occasion on which this occurred, his life, and, indeed, his person, were never in any danger. Any injuries resulting from the 'episode' would have been to her own person, inflicted by her own hand. It's doubtful she could have inflicted very much damage with a hairbrush.

In truth, I can't -don't- believe that "in normal conditions, Sheila had a violent temper and could turn in seconds". Those I've known who've suffered with schizophrenia, "in normal conditions" -living outside of hospital conditions- have shown no signs of "violent tempers" which would "turn in a second", their diagnosis coming as a complete shock to those who knew them.