LM led Jodi's family directly to her body.

[Parky41]

10:40pm Jodi Jones is knowing to be missing by her parents. The police are informed, her mother with others are contacted. 10:50pm LM introduces a physical search to the RDP. 10:59pm and LM is on/at the RDP. 11:03pm JuJ's mother is ready to leave Mayfield, it has taken the search trio no less than 15min to get ready. It took LM less than 9mins to get ready and to be on the RDP. 11:18pm and the search trio are nearly at the path to meet with LM. 11:20pm they catch sight of each other. 11:22pm they head down the path. 11:30pm and LM is shouting out he has found something. 11:34pm and the first call is put through that a body has been found.

LM has his dog, it has a harness on and attached to that harness is a short makeshift lead. At no point was LM's dog roaming free, searching for anything. Directed and controlled by LM.

The search party of four met between two spots. The start of the path and the first break in the wall. (Stones broken along its length, still no less than 6ft from ground level). LM takes the front spot, he goes directly to the first break upon approaching it, scales up and shines his torch quickly in the woodland beyond. A search of a path, has now had the woodland introduced as an area. He hastes back in front, wanders a few feet into the field, and again hastes back in front. They approach a second break in the wall (V break, the stones broken away horizontally), again, LM goes directly to this break, this time he climbs over into the woodland.

It is a 6-7 min walk from the start of the path to this V break. It is a shorter distance from where the search begun. There is no inch by inch search. There are four people who were to be looking to the sides of that path, the verges. They are not looking for clues, they are looking for a person. They had met on the path to carry out this task. LM had requested something of Jodi's, it had not been brought. AW says we will carry on without anything. The first thing LM asked, was that question "did you bring something of Jodi's?' There is no AW instigated any search of this path, they were meeting on the path to search it. LM instigated the search of that path.

He knew he was meeting with them and vice versa. There had been communication, the search trio when leaving Mayfield knew where he was. JaJ and SK not familiar with the path but AW was. She knew the area. They had been told by JuJ's where he was, LM had also been told they were heading out also.

It is an 11 min walk for the entire path. LM had already been on that path a good 5-6mins before the search trio had left Mayfield. JuJ had spoken with her mother on AW's landline. LM should easily have been at the top of this path, dallying about doing goodness knows what, waiting and given them time to arrive. The other clear factor in this is the involvement of the police:

There is no multiple thought process of anything, there is a very short period of time, overtaken by a rapid series of events on to that very path. Police called prior to 11pm, advice given to do the usual 'phone around friends' This process happening between JuJ's and her mother. LM's instant offer was of taken himself to her house, to give her phone numbers 'after' looking on the path.

As those family members were nearly at the point of meeting with LM, JuJ's was awaiting the arrival of the police, who did arrive around the same time. Barely filling in any missing person report, details and a call comes through that a body has been found.

Now we go to that all time lie of "They all agreed it was the dog who found Jodi then changed their minds" - absolute bollocks. Did not happen, not from the first to the last account.

The search trio in their first account stated that they had went directly to the second break in the wall, as with the first. There was no change here, it was always to that break, not past it. A dog on a short lead, pulling, scurrying with it's paws in the undergrowth, standing up against the V break, watching LM enter those woods, seeing him go directly to his left by torchlight. The change, the clarification was:

The dog was being directed by LM at all times, it was not the dog leading him anywhere. It was always directly to the break in the wall.

Nothing like LM's account, not from the first to the last. Which was 'no more than 60ft past the break to exactly "parallel" to where Jodi lay in the woods, which was 43ft past that break. That his dog had 'bounded, jumping up at, pawing and "air sniffing at that "parallel" spot.

Time factors and reason why LM had his account as such - For he told the police he knew exactly where to go upon entering those woods, making his way down the inside of that wall to the exact spot his dog had reacted on the path. None of it true. Also, that LM had actually only walked around 10ft on the inside of that wall and turned about. Shouting out he had found something. His voice almost upon AW (who stayed at the break with dog) and behind that of JaJ's and SK.

After LM entered that woodland, after they saw him turn left, they (JaJ's and SK) walked around 10, not more than 15ft past the break, that LM shouted out, his voice appeared behind them. They ran back those few steps and he was on the other side of the V once more.

LM had told the police from his "parallel to" spot, that JaJ and SK did not go back to the break, they kept on walking down the path. Absolute nonsense, every single thing in their description, from the off, was exactly at that break in the wall. There is no view point from anywhere else, as with LM's claims. For he had also told the police he had walked much more than 10ft down the inside of that wall. Fuelling them with information only the killer could know.

The type of tree that Jodi lay behind, the clothing, and the small hair band. LM could see nothing, the pathologist did not see that hair band at first, it was tangled deep into her hair.

Again, the consistent contrasts in accounts. These four people all separate, speaking with the police. Three speaking of that break in the wall, of going to it approaching from the East. Of describing what was happening at that break. Of walking further down the path after LM entered the woodland. Of him "searching" in there whilst they continued with the path. Did not tally at all with the details that fourth person was handing over.

Confused, shock? At a later point they are taken back to the path, to relive that awful evening, to go over what had happened. LM's clarification was of being "parallel to" The other three the same, directly to the break in the wall. The deflection over the years and the lies, of zoning in on a dog that had absolutely nothing to do with finding anything. LM knew that woodland intimately, and he knew every detail for he had been there earlier that evening.

The irony that in the present day, we have people attempting to work out how LM knew to go left. Attempting to re-write the evidence. To erase LM's own account and bring him all the way back to that break, to tie in with the truthful account of the search trio. For they know those descriptions could only have been given with all four being present at that break in the wall. Of it being whilst approaching from the east. Does not work, it simply highlights special knowledge from LM, erasing his reason for trying to infer he had no special knowledge, that it was his dog reacting "parallel to" That gave him cause. But it still does not work, for it is how many steps down the inside of that wall that is important here.

Those time factors, nothing of what LM claimed fitted. He described it all for he knew it all, he was/is the killer of Jodi Jones. Without a doubt factually guilty and proved to be in law also.

[Davie2]

Great content Parky.

[Faithlilly]

I refer members to the Frontline Scotland documentary on YouTube which clearly details the changes in statements by Janine Jones and Steven Kelly. To date neither Jones or Kelly has demanded a retraction from the BBC.

[Faithlilly]

Interesting article from the Herald including a paragraph on just this topic.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/

‘Location of the body

A large plank of evidence used to convict Mitchell, was that he supposedly knew the location of the body and led family members to the area where Jones was murdered.

The teenager was the fourth member of the search party. It comprised of Mitchell, Jodi’s grandmother, sister, and her sister’s fiancé.

Whilst searching the area with the rest of the party, Luke Mitchell claimed that his German shepherd – partially trained to track by a professional handler - alerted him by jumping up against the wall, which Jones was found behind.

This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant.’

Isn’t it odd how the Herald are reporting exactly what Dr Lean claimed in her book?

And yet again no demand for a retraction from Jones or Kelly.

[Davie2]

I refer members to the Frontline Scotland documentary on YouTube which clearly details the changes in statements by Janine Jones and Steven Kelly. To date neither Jones or Kelly has demanded a retraction from the BBC.

Was that the documentary that was shelved for its EXTREME bias?

Need to try harder.

[Parky41]

Interesting article from the Herald including a paragraph on just this topic.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/

‘Location of the body

A large plank of evidence used to convict Mitchell, was that he supposedly knew the location of the body and led family members to the area where Jones was murdered.

The teenager was the fourth member of the search party. It comprised of Mitchell, Jodi’s grandmother, sister, and her sister’s fiancé.

Whilst searching the area with the rest of the party, Luke Mitchell claimed that his German shepherd – partially trained to track by a professional handler - alerted him by jumping up against the wall, which Jones was found behind.

This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant.’

Isn’t it odd how the Herald are reporting exactly what Dr Lean claimed in her book?

And yet again no demand for a retraction from Jones or Kelly.

Context:

Thank you for clarifying my point once more with the same old bleats. So the change, the clarification was, that they went directly to the V break, to, they went directly to the V break. So it is this "pulling" word to being led/directed by LM, on that short piece of rope. Where DF 'you said "pulling" then changed it, so what you really meant was that the dog was alerting to something? "No" that is not what I meant. It was pulling on that rope, but it had been "pulling" directed by LM to the first break, in front, into the field, in front and directly again to the second break. That was the clarification, it was always directly to that break in the wall. It was always in complete contrast to LM's lies.

Yes Faith, we know that the book is built from media reports. With the clear deception and inference one has had access to all this wonderful stuff - BS. It is why we have people claiming that 9 weeks consisted of nothing, for it is those brief reports from a couple of minutes of evidence (from around 4hrs worth), reported each day it comes from. Such wonderful proof and as above. Was AO's a witness for the Crown? 'I do not know, I can't recall seeing anything in the NEWSPAPERS!' (SL) Such an expert, eh?

Bang, bang, bang. LM's dog was not leading LM anywhere, he was leading that girls family directly to her body. To the first break, intro of the woods. Quick shine with torch, into the field a few steps, quick shine with torch, straight to the second break, up and over and it is 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 steps (if lucky), about turn and shout.

Chalk and cheese. Dog bounding, (on that short piece of rope), jumping frantically against a wall (short piece of rope), pawing away at the wall and putting it's nose into alert mode and "air sniffing" There is so much left out from his account, erased, that we have one of his main supporters now, saying "the dog was sniffing to the left at the break in the wall" - Absolutely outstanding. Or 'LM knew to go left as his dog did not react before the break, only at it!'

Chalk and cheese, always to that break to always to that break from the search trio. LM "We had walked some distance past a break in the wall, not even 20 yards when my dog ------------" To those four weeks later. After searchers being taken back to the path to relive that night. To his map and clarification, it was not more than 60ft past the break, it was directly "parallel" to where Jodi lay in the woods, 43ift past that break in the wall. These are LM's words, you can not erase them and bring him all the way back to the break, to try and infer that a dog "pulling" at this break meant "They all agreed the dog found Jodi then changed their minds" - You can bring him all the way back if you like, erase and change his evidence, it simply highlights what was always highlighted. LM had special knowledge. Up and over. No trepidation of step, complete familiarity, LM knew it intimately. Knew exactly where to go.

Around 8 mins. Bang, bang, bang. - Have a bloody word with yourself. And again, clear reason why DF took no dogs that day, for it was NOT the dog that was going to be highlighted before that court, with the building of that wall. It was putting 4 people 43ft apart. Three where they claimed from the off they were, at the break and one 43ft past. And back, LM was lying his head off. We know the search party were always telling the truth, for you can not see a dam thing past that break in the wall. Every description, including using the bloody word, was at that break.

Led to that path by him, led directly to that girls body, by him. 10:40pm known to be missing, 10:50pm introduces a physical search of the path, 10:59pm he is on that path, set off with them around 11:22pm, 11:30pm shouting out he has found something and 11:34pm and those "flat affect tones" calling the emergency services. "I think we have found something ------------" Screams in the background from AW and JaJ and SK retching up his stomach contents.

So much more, do we move on to the next set of lies here? "Whisked away and separated instantly from the others" - Bollocks. Sitting puffing away, soaking everything up, erasing the contents of his phone and blanking his mother. There was nothing wrong with LM's signal - Give over with the utter BS.

So what exactly is there to retract here? We clarified "pulling" on a short rope to being directed? They did make a change, so did LM, but they always said directly to the break. So no, not ever did they make any claim that the dog had led them to Jodi's body, these were LM's words. And LM was lying.

[Faithlilly]

Context:

Thank you for clarifying my point once more with the same old bleats. So the change, the clarification was, that they went directly to the V break, to, they went directly to the V break. So it is this "pulling" word to being led/directed by LM, on that short piece of rope. Where DF 'you said "pulling" then changed it, so what you really meant was that the dog was alerting to something? "No" that is not what I meant. It was pulling on that rope, but it had been "pulling" directed by LM to the first break, in front, into the field, in front and directly again to the second break. That was the clarification, it was always directly to that break in the wall. It was always in complete contrast to LM's lies.

Yes Faith, we know that the book is built from media reports. With the clear deception and inference one has had access to all this wonderful stuff - BS. It is why we have people claiming that 9 weeks consisted of nothing, for it is those brief reports from a couple of minutes of evidence (from around 4hrs worth), reported each day it comes from. Such wonderful proof and as above. Was AO's a witness for the Crown? 'I do not know, I can't recall seeing anything in the NEWSPAPERS!' (SL) Such an expert, eh?

Bang, bang, bang. LM's dog was not leading LM anywhere, he was leading that girls family directly to her body. To the first break, intro of the woods. Quick shine with torch, into the field a few steps, quick shine with torch, straight to the second break, up and over and it is 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 steps (if lucky), about turn and shout.

Chalk and cheese. Dog bounding, (on that short piece of rope), jumping frantically against a wall (short piece of rope), pawing away at the wall and putting it's nose into alert mode and "air sniffing" There is so much left out from his account, erased, that we have one of his main supporters now, saying "the dog was sniffing to the left at the break in the wall" - Absolutely outstanding. Or 'LM knew to go left as his dog did not react before the break, only at it!'

Chalk and cheese, always to that break to always to that break from the search trio. LM "We had walked some distance past a break in the wall, not even 20 yards when my dog ------------" To those four weeks later. After searchers being taken back to the path to relive that night. To his map and clarification, it was not more than 60ft past the break, it was directly "parallel" to where Jodi lay in the woods, 43ift past that break in the wall. These are LM's words, you can not erase them and bring him all the way back to the break, to try and infer that a dog "pulling" at this break meant "They all agreed the dog found Jodi then changed their minds" - You can bring him all the way back if you like, erase and change his evidence, it simply highlights what was always highlighted. LM had special knowledge. Up and over. No trepidation of step, complete familiarity, LM knew it intimately. Knew exactly where to go.

Around 8 mins. Bang, bang, bang. - Have a bloody word with yourself. And again, clear reason why DF took no dogs that day, for it was NOT the dog that was going to be highlighted before that court, with the building of that wall. It was putting 4 people 43ft apart. Three where they claimed from the off they were, at the break and one 43ft past. And back, LM was lying his head off. We know the search party were always telling the truth, for you can not see a dam thing past that break in the wall. Every description, including using the bloody word, was at that break.

Led to that path by him, led directly to that girls body, by him. 10:40pm known to be missing, 10:50pm introduces a physical search of the path, 10:59pm he is on that path, set off with them around 11:22pm, 11:30pm shouting out he has found something and 11:34pm and those "flat affect tones" calling the emergency services. "I think we have found something ------------" Screams in the background from AW and JaJ and SK retching up his stomach contents.

So much more, do we move on to the next set of lies here? "Whisked away and separated instantly from the others" - Bollocks. Sitting puffing away, soaking everything up, erasing the contents of his phone and blanking his mother. There was nothing wrong with LM's signal - Give over with the utter BS.

So what exactly is there to retract here? We clarified "pulling" on a short rope to being directed? They did make a change, so did LM, but they always said directly to the break. So no, not ever did they make any claim that the dog had led them to Jodi's body, these were LM's words. And LM was lying.

So who to believe….a major broadcaster, a highly regarded newspaper and a criminologist with access to a large amount of the evidence gathered in this case or you, some random forum member who admits that the information he posts has been gleaned from forums and media and who has been caught out more than once not simply embroidering the truth but producing a tapestry with it?

Your reworking of the facts really only works when you’re preaching to the converted. Those of us with a  more open mind are rather harder to convince, though goodness you try. While your tales of the very expected are often entertaining it’s best not to ever forget that when you claim this statement said this or didn’t say that, or this protagonist did this or didn’t do that, you have no more access to the information surrounding the case than us and therefore a great amount of it has been simply imagined.

Of course if you do have access to more information, such as that forum that you claim to be a member of with all those people who were at the trial perhaps you can share a link and we can all access the information from the horses mouth so to speak. Similarly if you were involved in the case at the time admit that, we won’t hold it against you and it might even bestow some credibility on your multiple meanderings.

What do you think?

[Roadrunner]

Interesting article from the Herald including a paragraph on just this topic.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/

‘Location of the body

A large plank of evidence used to convict Mitchell, was that he supposedly knew the location of the body and led family members to the area where Jones was murdered.

The teenager was the fourth member of the search party. It comprised of Mitchell, Jodi’s grandmother, sister, and her sister’s fiancé.

Whilst searching the area with the rest of the party, Luke Mitchell claimed that his German shepherd – partially trained to track by a professional handler - alerted him by jumping up against the wall, which Jones was found behind.

This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant.’

Isn’t it odd how the Herald are reporting exactly what Dr Lean claimed in her book?

And yet again no demand for a retraction from Jones or Kelly.

Thanks for sharing the article and the documentary. It is interesting that all these sources are saying the same thing.

"JJ, SK and LM all gave statements to the police over the following weeks stating it was the dog who was the first to react to something on the other side of the wall, but at the trial both JJ and SK insist LM walked straight to the V not past it this suggested he knew exactly where the body was." Frontline Scotland The Devils Own

JJ- "His dog started jumping about at the wall Luke then climbed over the wall and started searching about"

SK- described the dog pulling Luke to the wall and jumping up with the dog standing on it's hind legs at the wall

Luke- "Suddenly she stops and starts sniffing about at the wall just past the V cut in the wall where you can get through, she starts like trying to climb up the wall with her paws and sniffing over it. I have to double back to find this V shape and I climbed over"



Another change to Janine's original statement was that she had described everyone as being in hysterics by the time of the trial it changed to Luke was cold and emotionless upon discovering the body.

Donald Findlay reads a statement given by Janine to police in the early hours of July 1 in which she said that 'everyone was in hysterics'.

Under cross-examination, Janine says: 'The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone to the police and we started shouting at him and then he started to raise his voice.'

Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'

Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.

'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'

From <https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+%27We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465>

 

The operator that took Luke's 999 call- "The lads in a bit of a panic he's saying can you come down as fast as possible because he's seen something I don't know what as he will not elaborate" a bit different to the elaborate description of "those "flat affect tones" calling the emergency services. "I think we have found something ------------" Screams in the background from AW and JaJ and SK retching up his stomach contents."

[Faithlilly]

Thanks for sharing the article and the documentary. It is interesting that all these sources are saying the same thing.

"JJ, SK and LM all gave statements to the police over the following weeks stating it was the dog who was the first to react to something on the other side of the wall, but at the trial both JJ and SK insist LM walked straight to the V not past it this suggested he knew exactly where the body was." Frontline Scotland The Devils Own

JJ- "His dog started jumping about at the wall Luke then climbed over the wall and started searching about"

SK- described the dog pulling Luke to the wall and jumping up with the dog standing on it's hind legs at the wall

Luke- "Suddenly she stops and starts sniffing about at the wall just past the V cut in the wall where you can get through, she starts like trying to climb up the wall with her paws and sniffing over it. I have to double back to find this V shape and I climbed over"



Another change to Janine's original statement was that she had described everyone as being in hysterics by the time of the trial it changed to Luke was cold and emotionless upon discovering the body.

Donald Findlay reads a statement given by Janine to police in the early hours of July 1 in which she said that 'everyone was in hysterics'.

Under cross-examination, Janine says: 'The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone to the police and we started shouting at him and then he started to raise his voice.'

Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'

Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.

'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'

From <https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+%27We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465>

 

The operator that took Luke's 999 call- "The lads in a bit of a panic he's saying can you come down as fast as possible because he's seen something I don't know what as he will not elaborate" a bit different to the elaborate description of "those "flat affect tones" calling the emergency services. "I think we have found something ------------" Screams in the background from AW and JaJ and SK retching up his stomach contents."

Exactly Roadrunner…multiple sources concurring with each other.

It is also worth remembering that after giving a statement the witness giving the statement would be asked to read the statement, agree that it was a true representation of what they had said and sign it as such. If, as Janine said, that her words had been misrepresented surely she’d have corrected the misrepresentation at that point?

[Parky41]

Thanks for sharing the article and the documentary. It is interesting that all these sources are saying the same thing.

"JJ, SK and LM all gave statements to the police over the following weeks stating it was the dog who was the first to react to something on the other side of the wall, but at the trial both JJ and SK insist LM walked straight to the V not past it this suggested he knew exactly where the body was." Frontline Scotland The Devils Own

JJ- "His dog started jumping about at the wall Luke then climbed over the wall and started searching about"

SK- described the dog pulling Luke to the wall and jumping up with the dog standing on it's hind legs at the wall

Luke- "Suddenly she stops and starts sniffing about at the wall just past the V cut in the wall where you can get through, she starts like trying to climb up the wall with her paws and sniffing over it. I have to double back to find this V shape and I climbed over"



Another change to Janine's original statement was that she had described everyone as being in hysterics by the time of the trial it changed to Luke was cold and emotionless upon discovering the body.

Donald Findlay reads a statement given by Janine to police in the early hours of July 1 in which she said that 'everyone was in hysterics'.

Under cross-examination, Janine says: 'The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone to the police and we started shouting at him and then he started to raise his voice.'

Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'

Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.

'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'

From <https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+%27We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465>

 

The operator that took Luke's 999 call- "The lads in a bit of a panic he's saying can you come down as fast as possible because he's seen something I don't know what as he will not elaborate" a bit different to the elaborate description of "those "flat affect tones" calling the emergency services. "I think we have found something ------------" Screams in the background from AW and JaJ and SK retching up his stomach contents."

And again you simply clarify what I have been saying. The erasing of the contents which give us context. Ignoring what I have already said, that they did say X, Y or Z and changed/clarified this to LM leading his dog and not the other way around, but always directly to those points. The first break, in front, the field, in front and the second break in the wall.

Scraping away continuously at some futile point the defence attempted to make at trial. That any change to those statements had absolutely no bearing to the evidence against LM. We have been here several times. The dog could have been doing summersaults at the V break in the wall, it was NOT alerting to anything at all to do with Jodi Jones. And it was NOT what LM was claiming happened, at any time. Trying to zone in on some change/clarifications of what happened exactly at the V break whilst erasing LM's own changes, his very clear and precise clarification/changes tells us what exactly around changes? That they all made changes, that the two clear points remained the same. (Got to admire the little changes/omissions though)

It is the same thing. LM, to always being past the break in the wall to the search trio of always being at the break in the wall. And the changes/clarifications from all four came after going back to that path. And it is timed, and there is only that rapid series of events completely led by LM.

No one is denying any changes took place but they ALL made changes. Where was your dog when it was doing summersaults Luke? To the search trio, where was Luke's dog when it was doing summersaults?

LM, it was not more than 60ft past to around 43 ft past where there is a break in the wall. To the search trio, it was doing summersaults at the break in the wall.

How did you know to go directly left down that narrow passage on the inside of the wall Luke? - Because my dog had reacted some distance past that break, I was following the wall down to where it had reacted.  - Nope, not true, lies.

To the search trio's account from the off, of at that break in the wall - That boy should have been entering that dark woodland with unfamiliarity, clear trepidation of step (he had never before set foot in there remember 'Pinocchio') Not what happened though, it was bang, bang, bang.

Bang one, straight to the first break (Gino), I thought my dog was alerting there, so I shone my torch for a second or two, it was a false alert, I managed to take in all of the expanse of the woodland with that brief shine with my floodlight - have a word with yourselves.

Bang two, into the field a few steps, I thought my dog was alerting to something. I shone my floodlight again taking in the whole expanse of that field. How high was the crop at this point?

Bang three, directly to the V break, my dog was really alerting this time, it had even managed to transport it's whole body some 40ft down from it, stopped dead and run all the way back to me saying 'woof woof' It's over there master, walk down to your left around 9 steps and you will see it. Do no bother with the rest, your floodlight will take everything in, including the bobble - have a further word with yourselves.

So, by all means keep punting out the same nonsense. Erasing LM's own testimony, trying to bury his map and precise wording and change to those statements. No amount of any change, any omission of context, changes that LM had special knowledge. Led the search there, waited on the others to search together, and in less than 8 mins with a shit load of lies and further lies, LM made this miraculous discovery. Achieving the impossible. One could have had an actual proper, couple of trained dogs and search personal with them, starting at the same point, with something of Jodi's Jones and they would not have managed to achieve what LM did, that is why no dog was taken with DF that day, absolutely futile exercise that would simply have highlighted more so LM's clear special knowledge.

For they would have had those dogs, searching and scenting properly, walking and trying to pick anything up. They would have without a doubt come near to where LM claimed his dog reacted, and then perhaps picked that up. Then they would have entered those woods and not instantly found the spot - Hidden some 43ft down behind that large Oak tree away from the wall. It would NOT have happened in less than 8mins and they would not have been allowed to go past that break in the wall, for everything of what that search trio described happened directly at that break. - Have a word with yourself.

Now we know that reliance upon media articles, we know one does not possess full court transcripts (bar CM's), we know one plays dumb and manipulates around the actual evidence. And again, not interested in this scraping to attempt to show some form of normality in this boy. Out with the numerous other statements, every part and context, there was the playing of those recordings in court. There is no greater proof than hearing exactly how LM was. JaJ's and "everyone was in hysterics" Again to the change and clarification, and any attempt by the defence, again leaving out around 99% of all else.

To the Crown and those recordings and hearing LM speaking whilst those "hysterics" were going on in the background. The point again attempting to be made, futile. The only person calm, was LM. Played to show who amongst those four people was anything but affected by any gruesome find. And we further this with his mother trying to get a hold of him, "annoying him" as SF's claims, that Luke was "far too busy" to be dealing with his mother. Sitting "clapping his dog" and not of course "whisked away anywhere"

So, what was the point you were making Roadrunner? - That a dog doing summersaults upon a path changed to LM leading his dog directly the V break before it did those summersaults? Where the point was always that LM was lying, it did not matter what his dog was doing for his dog was nowhere near to where he had those lies in place. The lie being, that his dog led him to the body of Jodi Jones - Nope, did not happen. To the searchers saying, no the dog did not lead him to the V, he led the dog to the V, then the dog could have been jumping over the moon at this point, it was NOT alerting to Jodi Jones.

Tiresome and repetitive scraping at the same lies, the same omissions, the same lack of content and context. Absolutely no time for any of LM's nonsense claims. And it had to be exactly as he claimed, for him to know exactly where to go. Any search, if it had actually been a search, would not have been Bang, bang, bang. The one clear factor in this bang, bang, bang was the involvement of the police. Trapped again in his own web of deceit, at haste to have that control before they arrived on the scene - That is reality here. Bringing everything into the picture. Not just dog/wall/actions. - Give over.

[Playfair1]

How did he know the gran would decide to go back down the path he just come up ,was it at the point that he had a change of plan ,after cleaning himself up, burning jackets and I would assume all his garments would need burning surely if you listen to Prof B and even the police they all stated the person would be covered, how does this all work without incriminating evidence of either him at murder scene or murder scene on his body, his house his clothes not anything in the way of hard evidence to support he committed the murder.

Did he decide after completing his Dexter skills on the crime scene he decided yeah that sounds like a good idea lets take them to the body cause that sounds smart , remember he is cunning ,superhuman intelligence , speed , has put so much effort into removing all the incriminating evidence, does it sound plausible that after all the planning and burning and washing in the Brook had a light bulb moment of let's take them right to the body cause that will not be suspicious in the least , if he did murder Jodi would it not be more likely to stay as far from crime scene. ( his super human cunning and mastery skills, would tell him it's a bad idea surely after all his unbelievable skills of removing himself does it sound like a clever move after all his cleverness of removing those tiny spectacles of DNA from Jodi , himself, the crime scene ,his house he just decides on such a risky move , of course he only came up with the new plan because of the grans insistence of going back down the path without this Jodi may have not been found so quickly , so in reality the gran and the search party are the ones who knew  we're to check , if it wasn't for the grans prompt and direction who knows when  or who would have come across Jodi , Luke going straight to the body theory was only made possible with the grans direction , that needs a little further scrutiny do you not think .

  You are so bias every change the search party has made is questionable , and your jackanory theories don't change the facts , the 3 people went into court and lied , they can't logically all decide on such a crucial point of change in their testimony compared to their initial statements it's huge and no amount of distraction can change the fact because of this change under oath they are not to be trusted , they are unreliable , it may be that they were guided by prosecution / police to make the change, but the fact remains they supported Luke's account of the dog and its actions , you should not have to lie or change details to support the prosecutions theory and that is exactly what happened here , you choosing to ignore only speaks volumes of your blinding  bias .



The change by the search party was deliberate to extract any doubt from the jury's minds , you need to give over if you think this change was not instrumental , the changes that are many in all sides are being exposed because it does matter when the 3 search party who also came across the body , with one of them having their intimate body fluid on the victim.

Why did the search party each individual suddenly remember after a good many statements to supporting Luke's account , this change supported the theory Luke went straight to body , simply if they repeated all of their initial statements the prosecution will lose this area as it presents doubt .

[Parky41]

Before Roadrunner pops in with DF's question to AW, did I say she was mute? did I say she hadn't said we will check anyway without anything of Jodi's, no I did not. All this distraction.

Did AW deny saying this? No she did not, but once more there is that desperation to erase all else. Search to the RDP initiated by LM from 10:50pm, less then 9 mins later he is on/at that path. He is telling JuJ's this at 10:59pm.

The contact to AW from JuJ's until after 11pm was to her landline. It took them no less than 15mins to be ready.

LM is dallying about, not even at the top of the path. He is expecting them, he asks if they have brought something of Jodi's, they had not. He is not asking this because he just bumped into them. This is simple logic whilst one erases everything out. But then you would not know much of anything bar the BS you have been fed.

It is interesting however that SL (without a doubt on behalf of LM) blames AW for not taken the time to run along to JuJ's house, to collect something rather than just continue with the search without anything. It is a path, they have four bodies, they do not need something of Jodi's. It was LM's choice to continue with his dog prop without it, no one else's, they are not to blame.

DF to JaJ's 'Would you have continued to search after the path, on to the sides of Newbattle Road if you found nothing on the path and verges?' - 'Would it be fair to say that if it had not been for Luke then Jodi would still have been lying in the woods?' 'If Luke had not taken the initiative to look into the woods?' Back to my other point around DF not taken any dog that day to the path for some futile test. For it had nothing to do with dog, it was futile. There had been NO LM and NO dog where LM claimed to be. No expert dog witness with any ludicrous partial training of fetching toys from a tree. DF knew what he was facing, he had those statements, and he had the battle of trying to distract from LM's lies and special knowledge.

In and around 8mins - That poor girls family, over - ridden with that rapid series of events. There is no fathoming LM's choice to be right in there. And stop with the brainwashing, this continuous deflection of "you'd think if he was the killer -------------?" Routine. Or "It makes no logical sense to be part of a search --------" Or trying to place people as saying he was some master criminal. LM was caught. It is deflection and brainwashing, attempting to pass some invisible buck away from the evidence. It is not what you feel he should have done, it is only what he did do.

Logic is what was in place by that point in this killers mind. He had alibi, he had disposed of evidence, there had been no discovery and without a doubt he was chapping at the bit, prepped and ready for that contact. When it came through he is off like a shot. A family and missing, police and frantic. LM and it is instantly initiating a search of a path, on it in minutes, holding back on it waiting on Jodi's family members whilst she awaited the police. Filling in that report and a body has been found. - wake the hell up.

[nugnug]

no alice wlker she wanted the path checked agian

[nugnug]

there own words prove they led him to the body https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/