Essex police suspected relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders?

[Steve A]

I think it is misleading, as Curiousessex says, but I didn't spot it and nor did others, so it could well be a simple mistake on behalf of the original poster rather than intentional.

[smiffy]

libel is civil law and not criminal law as far as I am aware so please explain "curious" as to how you come to claim what you do.

Smiffy

I am not claiming anything.

I was merely pointing out that it is incorrect and untrue for Mike to detail - 'Yes, by late September 1985, Essex police suspected the relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders - including for the possibility that the relatives put blood into the silencer that originated from Sheila. ...'

The document which appears to be the basis of the accusation is dated 19th September 1986.

Maybe you can help explain how the document supports the printed accusation i.e. By late September 1985 Essex police suspecting the relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders etc.. In this context it should be noted the title of the thread is Essex police suspected relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders?

you may be wrong in claiming it is incorrect and untrue for Mike to make the claims he made. Mike may have information available to him that allow him to make the claims he makes and that he may indeed be correct in what he asserts.

[curiousessex]

libel is civil law and not criminal law as far as I am aware so please explain "curious" as to how you come to claim what you do.

Smiffy

I am not claiming anything.

I was merely pointing out that it is incorrect and untrue for Mike to detail - 'Yes, by late September 1985, Essex police suspected the relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders - including for the possibility that the relatives put blood into the silencer that originated from Sheila. ...'

The document which appears to be the basis of the accusation is dated 19th September 1986.

Maybe you can help explain how the document supports the printed accusation i.e. By late September 1985 Essex police suspecting the relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders etc.. In this context it should be noted the title of the thread is Essex police suspected relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders?

you may be wrong in claiming it is incorrect and untrue for Mike to make the claims he made. Mike may have information available to him that allow him to make the claims he makes and that he may indeed be correct in what he asserts.

Well in that case Mike should provide information that supports the claim rather than posting a document that is dated 19th September 1986 which relates to Essex police suspecting relatives by late September 1985.

I have no problem in relation to Mike making the claim but within this thread the claim is not supported by the document that he has posted in his first post which appears directly under the thread heading. This also being a thread that was started by Mike.

[Alias]

"Funny" how ALL physical evidence was destroyed in 1996 - DNA testing was improving fast, and in the years after, a lot of wrongfully convicted prisoners have been freed.

Yes it seems that police and others were deliberately getting rid of stuff that may incriminate them? Apparently?

Well yes, it does appear so. People covering their behinds, that´s what it looks like. Why not take the opportunity to perform DNA tests on the evidence when the DNA testing really took off? Lousy police force! LOUSY!
Not even in USA, which I consider a third world country when it comes to their justice system, have they done this! Lots of prisoners have been freed after years in prison and on death row, based on the improved DNA testing.

[chochokeira]

"Funny" how ALL physical evidence was destroyed in 1996 - DNA testing was improving fast, and in the years after, a lot of wrongfully convicted prisoners have been freed.

Yes it seems that police and others were deliberately getting rid of stuff that may incriminate them? Apparently?

Well yes, it does appear so. People covering their behinds, that´s what it looks like. Why not take the opportunity to perform DNA tests on the evidence when the DNA testing really took off? Lousy police force! LOUSY!
Not even in USA, which I consider a third world country when it comes to their justice system, have they done this! Lots of prisoners have been freed after years in prison and on death row, based on the improved DNA testing.

It stinks!

[mike tesko]

Would they not have taken these blood samples anyway, to eliminate them?

.

Why would Essex police wait until September 1985, to take blood samples from the relatives, regarding blood allegedly found in a silencer a month previously? Now that we know there were two silencers, and that the one found in the gun cupboard by Boutflour was not found there until around 10/11th September 1985, one cane see why police were asking for blood samples from the relatives by 19th September 1985? The silencer with the blood inside it, was not sent to the Lab' until about 26th September 1985, along with a request for the silencer to be checked for blood and fibers from a tampon?  And so, within days of the silencer being found, Essex police requested that blood samples be obtained from the relatives so that the silencer and the blood found inside it, could be checked to see if the donor was one of the relatives?

Which, as it happens, turned out to bear the same blood group activity as Robert Boutflour...

[curiousessex]

Would they not have taken these blood samples anyway, to eliminate them?

.

Why would Essex police wait until September 1985, to take blood samples from the relatives, regarding blood allegedly found in a silencer a month previously? Now that we know there were two silencers, and that the one found in the gun cupboard by Boutflour was not found there until around 10/11th September 1985, one cane see why police were asking for blood samples from the relatives by 19th September 1985? The silencer with the blood inside it, was not sent to the Lab' until about 26th September 1985, along with a request for the silencer to be checked for blood and fibers from a tampon?  And so, within days of the silencer being found, Essex police requested that blood samples be obtained from the relatives so that the silencer and the blood found inside it, could be checked to see if the donor was one of the relatives?

Which, as it happens, turned out to bear the same blood group activity as Robert Boutflour...

Mike

You need to look at your first post in your thread titled 'Essex police suspected relatives of trying to frame Jeremy for the murders?'

The document posted is dated 19th September 1986 and not 19th September 1985 as you are claiming.

In my opinion, without a document dated 19th September 1985 your post and this thread is unsubstantiated and therefore untrue and incorrect.