Audio interviews with Carol Ann Lee.

[ILB]

Can you ever stop an indidvual applying to the ccrc?

I don't think it would ever happen.

So how do you stop someone clogging up the system?

After an initial appeal Is thrown out the ccrc is the only avenue.i

I think the old way to petition the home secretary which Jeremy did do. Many years ago.

[BarefootDanC]

Can you ever stop an indidvual applying to the ccrc?

I don't think it would ever happen.

So how do you stop someone clogging up the system?

After an initial appeal Is thrown out the ccrc is the only avenue.i

I think the old way to petition the home secretary which Jeremy did do. Many years ago.

There was one case where the CCRC said they would not consider any further submissions from application unless it was based on new evidence accompanied by a legal opinion that the new evidence was substantial.

The problem with Bamber is there is always multiple grounds, with parts to each ground, and these grounds are backed up some "more evidence", such as the photos of Sheila's foot which was allegedly disclosed in 2004, the phone logs evidencing a call from Nevill which were "found" in 2010 and the 347,000 documents / 347,000 pages which were supposedly disclosed in November 2011.

[ngb1066]

Mike and Di Stephano are two who come immediately to mind. As for the CT, I wouldn't expect them to do their own re-presentation.

I do not believe either of them doctored photographs.  There was a witness statement which was altered, which I called out as soon as it was posted.  Part of the problem with the photographs is that until late 2011 the defence only had the trial photograph albums, which were of course prints rather than negatives. As a result every copy tended to be distorted in terms of contrast/colour intensity etc.  I think proper allowance should be made for that before allegations of doctoring are made.

 

[BarefootDanC]

I do not believe either of them doctored photographs.  There was a witness statement which was altered, which I called out as soon as it was posted.  Part of the problem with the photographs is that until late 2011 the defence only had the trial photograph albums, which were of course prints rather than negatives. As a result every copy tended to be distorted in terms of contrast/colour intensity etc.  I think proper allowance should be made for that before allegations of doctoring are made.

I was a kid in the 1980s and 1990s and used to love taking photos on holiday and other times. What was wrong with colour prints?

[snow66!]

How can blood still be flowing at least two hours after death when the photos were taken anyway?
It would need to be forced out by gravity after Sheila's heart had stopped!

[ILB]

There was one case where the CCRC said they would not consider any further submissions from application unless it was based on new evidence accompanied by a legal opinion that the new evidence was substantial.

The problem with Bamber is there is always multiple grounds, with parts to each ground, and these grounds are backed up some "more evidence", such as the photos of Sheila's foot which was allegedly disclosed in 2004, the phone logs evidencing a call from Nevill which were "found" in 2010 and the 347,000 documents / 347,000 pages which were supposedly disclosed in November 2011.

Interesting

Which case?

[ILB]

The CCRC say they aim to complete 85% of cases in a maximum of 12 months.

Obviously cases like Jeremy's are complex. Hence they don't fall in this category.

[Curiosity]

Bamber knows that there isn't a cat in hell's chance of him ever being released, so he's just stringing out the number of grounds/submissions to irritate and annoy both his relatives and Essex Police.

[ILB]

Bamber knows that there isn't a cat in hell's chance of him ever being released, so he's just stringing out the number of grounds/submissions to irritate and annoy both his relatives and Essex Police.

He seems very determined and always has been. He's been fighting for forty years almost.

However I agree he must often know it's unlikely he will ever get out.

Believe he has referenced this himself recently.

[Jane]

I do not believe either of them doctored photographs.  There was a witness statement which was altered, which I called out as soon as it was posted.  Part of the problem with the photographs is that until late 2011 the defence only had the trial photograph albums, which were of course prints rather than negatives. As a result every copy tended to be distorted in terms of contrast/colour intensity etc.  I think proper allowance should be made for that before allegations of doctoring are made.

Naturally, and in fairness, .........proper allowance should be made............." However -and not wishing to sound like a conspiracy theorist- given the track record/career path of both, I don't believe 'allowances' to be necessarily clear cut. Give a dog a bad name? Perhaps. But there's rarely any smoke without fire

[BarefootDanC]

He seems very determined and always has been. He's been fighting for forty years almost.

However I agree he must often know it's unlikely he will ever get out.

Believe he has referenced this himself recently.

I think his supporters give him false hope, with their various multiple "irrefutable" pieces of evidence and the very thorough CCRC submission.

[Roch]

I think his supporters give him false hope, with their various multiple "irrefutable" pieces of evidence and the very thorough CCRC submission.

And their practice of accusing uncle Tom Cobley and all, of malpractice, malfeasance in public office and corrupt practices.

[Jane]

And their practice of accusing uncle Tom Cobley and all, of malpractice, malfeasance in public office and corrupt practices.

And therefore it stands to reason that when every participant, other than the accused, is claimed to be lying, one may be forgiven for smelling a rat.

[David1819]

He seems very determined and always has been. He's been fighting for forty years almost.

However I agree he must often know it's unlikely he will ever get out.

Believe he has referenced this himself recently.

I thought you didn't have time for a supporter on a windup?

[BarefootDanC]

And therefore it stands to reason that when every participant, other than the accused, is claimed to be lying, one may be forgiven for smelling a rat.

Definitely, and even worse that that, even people like Colin Caffell and Brett Collins to give a few examples, neither of whom were in any sense "participants" or had anything to gain from Jeremy being convicted are also called liars.