Audio interviews with Carol Ann Lee.

[snow66!]

This photo negates the movement inside, 999 calls, 2 bodies in the kitchen etc.

How long does blood take to dry and shrink causing cracks Adam?
More than an hour?
Craig seen Sheilas body around 8.45 I think!

[Zoso]

How long does blood take to dry and shrink causing cracks Adam?
More than an hour?
Craig seen Sheilas body around 8.45 I think!

If her blood is dried and cracked at 08:45, she can't be still bleeding by the time the photographer took the pictures can she?

[snow66!]

If her blood is dried and cracked at 08:45, she can't be still bleeding by the time the photographer took the pictures can she?

Of course not Zoso!
But that isn't what I asked!
I'm asking if Sheila could have killed herself around 7.45 when the TFG entered and if the blood on her cheeks could have been dried and cracked an hour later when Dr Craig pronounced death!

[Adam]

Did Craig say the blood was dry & cracked?

What time were the photos taken?

[snow66!]

Did Craig say the blood was dry & cracked?

What time were the photos taken?

Yes,I think Craig said the blood running down her mouth was dried Adam.
I believe they started taking the photos  photos around 10.00 or so.
I dont think Stefano mentioned the blood running down her cheeks, just that it was still running from the neck wounds!
Although,how could you tell if blood was running in a still photo?

[Zoso]

Yes,I think Craig said the blood running down her mouth was dried Adam.
I believe they started taking the photos  photos around 10.00 or so.
I dont think Stefano mentioned the blood running down her cheeks, just that it was still running from the neck wounds!
Although,how could you tell if blood was running in a still photo?

Of course he isn't going to mention the dried cracked blood that ran from her mouth, because that would be at odds with what he was trying to convey as blood running from wounds on her neck. That's why on that picture, you can't see her face.

[Roch]

There is both we and dried blood on her crime scene images. The flash photography argument has limitations.

[David1819]

Dr Craig is not a pathologist and he never carried out a physical examination of bodies (see the Dickinson report attached). All he did was confirm they were dead. He failed to even notice Sheila had been shot twice. Based on the timings given in the witness statements, he spent less than 15 minutes at the crime scene.

[Jane]

According to the "Roles and responsibilities of SOC officers" which includes a scientific pathologist -Craig, who appeared to have done nothing more and nothing less than the basic requirements, was a GP - who carries out the post mortem, the medical attendant isn't required to give cause of death. He noted gun shot wounds in all victims. He didn't count them. Such was not in his remit. Such fell within the remit of a scientific pathologist, the services of whom, in this case  -for some unknown reason- were dispensed with. PV found this oversight odd, perhaps even insulting?

[Adam]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228104586_Drying_properties_of_bloodstains_on_common_indoor_surfaces%23:~:text%3DA%2520study%2520by%2520van%2520Oorschot,deposit%2520is%2520dry.%2520...&ved=2ahUKEwiqmZTtwJeJAxVCXEEAHe7zGJ0QFnoECBgQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2Ks_LBUbeyGzm1ADQQOc0R

This says it takes an hour for blood to dry.

[Adam]

Dry blood on Sheila does not determine when she died. As Craig & the photographer were over an hour away.

But the CT doctoring a photo & saying it proves she died later makes you ask what else they have done.

[Jane]

Dry blood on Sheila does not determine when she died. As Craig & the photographer were over an hour away.

But the CT doctoring a photo & saying it proves she died later makes you ask what else they have done.

It occurs to me that if the CT feel the need to 'doctor' photos -and maybe anything else?- does it not suggest that they're not entirely convinced their 'boy' is innocent?

[ILB]

Doctoring photos is a risky affair and I'm not entirely sure but I'd guess completely illegal.( in terms of submitting evidence to a legal body) not a forum)

I can't see Jeremy Bamber sanctioning doing this

Even if you'd argue out of desperation. Jeremy's not stupid and he would know it would bite him on the arse.

[snow66!]

According to the "Roles and responsibilities of SOC officers" which includes a scientific pathologist -Craig, who appeared to have done nothing more and nothing less than the basic requirements, was a GP - who carries out the post mortem, the medical attendant isn't required to give cause of death. He noted gun shot wounds in all victims. He didn't count them. Such was not in his remit. Such fell within the remit of a scientific pathologist, the services of whom, in this case  -for some unknown reason- were dispensed with. PV found this oversight odd, perhaps even insulting?

Yes,Craig said there was a wound in Sheila's neck and went on to say Daniel had been shot beside the ear and so on.
As you rightly say,he didn't count the number of gunshot wounds on any of the victims Jane.
The claim of Sheila having one shot to her neck when Craig saw her doesn't mean much.
Lets be fair.

[Jane]

Yes,Craig said there was a wound in Sheila's neck and went on to say Daniel had been shot beside the ear and so on.
As you rightly say,he didn't count the number of gunshot wounds on any of the victims Jane.
The claim of Sheila having one shot to her neck when Craig saw her doesn't mean much.
Lets be fair.

Over the years, there have been those here, who have accused him of numerous infractions, including alcoholism, but namely of NOT doing A, B, and C. He was not required to do anything other than pronounce life extinct. He was not required to give cause of death, but in this instance it would have been fairly clear! He was not required to give ETD -although he may have- to which end he was not required to insert a thermometer into various orifices to ascertain such. It was not within his remit, such being the job of the scientific pathologist who, for what reason I know not, much to his chagrin, was not called. I seem to think his presence was said to have been unnecessary!