Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:

[Jane]

The rifle would need two hands to control, so how does JB control Sheila as well? I am glad you mention common sense Adam we are making progress.

Indeed so, Rob! So how did Sheila manage to shoot herself twice? I'm guessing the normal way is resting the stock on a shoulder, directing/supporting the barrel with one hand and pulling the trigger with the other. Sheila would have had to do it in reverse. Nowhere solid to rest the stock to steady it/stop its weight from moving the barrel. Both hands to align the barrel. Pushing the trigger from such a position wouldn't have been easy.

It comes to mind that, IF, as is being suggested, Sheila wandered aimlessly around the house for several hours after shooting her family, wouldn't she have used a less unwieldy weapon to shoot herself?

[Jane]

I am sure that everyone who has ever been a member of this forum has never doubted how much you have done for JBs cause over the years Mike.And you probably dont get the acknowledgement and respect you deserve a lot of the time.I am sure it hurt when you and JB grew apart,but there is no doubt he knows you are still campaigning on his behalf.And God willing one day on the outside he will thank you for all you have done Mike.[If he is innocent that is]

And here we have Mike's own, profound, words on the subject:-

'Your truth', 'my truth', 'this'/ 'that', and 'everybody's truth', does 'NOT' prove or establish what the 'ACTUAL TRUTH', is or could be!

'However' when it comes down to considering the truth of police officers when they introduce witness statements, or they seek to rely upon notes that they often claim were made up prior to them going off duty, when the notes were written up in pocket books that had not yet even been issued to an officer, until weeks and sometimes even months afterwards. There is always a minimum of at least two doppelganger police officers, who submit two almost identical statement content, except for the fact that the name and rank of both officers is added so as to distinguish one false narrative, from the other' in such cases, where this practice is regularly adopted, it becomes a matter of 'their truth', 'their truth', 'their truth' and 'their thruths' all being their actual truth(s).

And gullible members of the brainwashed public, listen intently, and believe every lie that these rogue bad boy cops tell....

[Jane]

Mike I believe the person from whom you retrieved these documents has falsified them for his or her own purposes.

Steve, I believe the chances are high, that many, produced here, have been subject to the same treatment. As Mike himself has told us:-

'Your truth', 'my truth', 'this'/ 'that', and 'everybody's truth', does 'NOT' prove or establish what the 'ACTUAL TRUTH', is or could be!

'However' when it comes down to considering the truth of police officers when they introduce witness statements, or they seek to rely upon notes that they often claim were made up prior to them going off duty, when the notes were written up in pocket books that had not yet even been issued to an officer, until weeks and sometimes even months afterwards...

[Jane]

But you can freeze mentally without freezing physically.

Absolutely!

[Jane]

Please elaborate Steve time for what? if he is guilty he just gets ready, changed, cleaned up or whatever then just calls the police? He is under no time constraints?

You're speaking as if he's a robot, Rob. What about having him spend some time going over what he'd done. Reflecting on how it went. Savouring his success. Musing over, not what he'd do if he HAD the money, but how he was going to spend it now he'd got it.

[Jane]

Murun Buchstansangur.

A rather more humble character than JB, I think.

[lookout]

If anyone had intentions of wiping out a family, they wouldn't be waking up at silly o'clock to phone the police.
Considering that no trace of JB had been found i.e. blood/ sweat/ DNA/ , nobody would have been any the wiser next day on discovering the carnage. Then what ?

[Jane]

If anyone had intentions of wiping out a family, they wouldn't be waking up at silly o'clock to phone the police.
Considering that no trace of JB had been found i.e. blood/ sweat/ DNA/ , nobody would have been any the wiser next day on discovering the carnage. Then what ?

They weren't being looked for on day 1. JB wasn't a suspect then. By the time he was, it was too late to look.

How do you explain 'DS Jones' and 'DC Clark upon entering the main bedroom crime scene at around 9.10am, that the bodies of' Sheila' and June' were both laid out on top of the bed side by side one another, and that they saw a rifle resting on/in the bed space in between them! Additionally, they saw (on 'that occasion') that there was a bible resting upon 'Sheila Caffells' chest?

Furthermore, so certain that the bodies of 'Sheila' and 'June' were on the bed, but that within an hour or so later, whilst they were at 'Jeremys' cottage taking a witness statement from him, 'Ann Eaton' turned up, and she was told by one or other officer, that the bodies of 'Sheila' and 'June' had been on top of the parents bed in the main bedroom. Moreover, 'DS Jones' informed  'Ann Eaton' that 'Sheila' had taken her own life by way of a solitary shot under the chin'!

So, all this and that being true, then how did the bodies of the two victims, end up on the main bedroom floor, either side of the bed? Common sense and logic dictates that at the time 'Jones' and 'Clark' entered the main bedroom crime scene at around 9.10am, that 'June Bamber' could not yet, have been shot directly between the eyes, so somebody must have shot her, after 'Jones' and 'Clark' exited the crime scene? It is also true, that somebody fired a 2nd shot into 'Sheila Caffells neck' and that was when both victims died...

[lookout]

They weren't being looked for on day 1. JB wasn't a suspect then. By the time he was, it was too late to look.

As soon as SJ showed his face JB was guilty and it went from there. A hatchet job, wheels within wheels began.

[Jane]

As soon as SJ showed his face JB was guilty and it went from there. A hatchet job, wheels within wheels began.

He wasn't the only one, Lookout. Most of those who spoke to JB seemed to have got the impression he was guilty. Taff wasn't someone who tolerated opposition, so they kept quiet.

[lookout]

He wasn't the only one, Lookout. Most of those who spoke to JB seemed to have got the impression he was guilty. Taff wasn't someone who tolerated opposition, so they kept quiet.

Without proof as well----clever them. Wishful thinking for the " most " in their own ways, eh ?

[lookout]

When you have the last man standing, it isn't hard to arrive at the simplest of conclusions.

[Jane]

Without proof as well----clever them. Wishful thinking for the " most " in their own ways, eh ?

With practice gained, they were entitled to have reached reasoned conclusions -we all do it- based on training and experience. It certainly sounds as if more believed him guilty, after being in conversation with him, than innocent.

[Rob_]

You're speaking as if he's a robot, Rob. What about having him spend some time going over what he'd done. Reflecting on how it went. Savouring his success. Musing over, not what he'd do if he HAD the money, but how he was going to spend it now he'd got it.

Sorry Jane you have totally lost me? At this stage how does JB know he has got away with the crime?

He has cycled across tracks, paths and fields with no lights but he might still have been seen, and someone hearing of the tragedy phoning the police days latter. Apart from all the things that might have given him away.

[Jane]

Sorry Jane you have totally lost me? At this stage how does JB know he has got away with the crime?

He has cycled across tracks, paths and fields with no lights but he might still have been seen, and someone hearing of the tragedy phoning the police days latter. Apart from all the things that might have given him away.

Well, they're dead, for starters. Are you familiar with the area, Rob? JB knew it intimately. The chances of him taking a route where being seen was a possibility is rather like looking for a hen with teeth. All villains have to take some chances, murderers who've planned it, more than most. However, I'll allow that he may have had a bit of a wobble about whether he's adequately covered his tracks and broken out in a cold sweat. It's good that you're accepting there'd have been more to it than casually getting washed, brushed up and changed.