Author Topic: Sensational 'twist in blood type results' that were found on nightdress [`ND/3']  (Read 5614 times)

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Offline Rob_

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I can't believe what you've just said, although I appreciate they're not your words. IF this case had truly -TRULY-, been solved in 2008, using the latest and presumably irrefutable technology, which could have been placed, and publicly revealed to having been so, in the hands of the highest authorities in the country, why is JB still behind bars?

This information takes me back to within weeks of joining, as a supporter I'll stress!! to be told that "evidence exists" to see JB walk free!! Not only that, the poster had not only seen it, they HAD it. For weeks, apart from that I was getting bored with being told it, I saw no point in it. Such information should have been placed with the authorities. When I suggested such, to the poster, I was told it would happen when they saw fit!! Made me glad my friends aren't like that!!! Now I take any such claims with a large helping of salt and put them down to wishful thinking.

I am not sure what you are saying Jane? a case was solved in 2008 with the latest technology, which I take to mean that prior to this date the technology was not good enough?

Sheila's nightdress was destroyed in 1996 it is now 2022.


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I am not sure what you are saying Jane? a case was solved in 2008 with the latest technology, which I take to mean that prior to this date the technology was not good enough?

Sheila's nightdress was destroyed in 1996 it is now 2022.

The nightdress was tested in 1985.

It had -

No GSR

No oil.

No lubricant.

Only Sheila's blood on. [`please stop hallucinating'!

How many days before she was involved in the shooting of other family members, was it that she received her medication, and or took her prescribed tablets? Whenever that was, and whether she did, or not, there is no way that any pro-guilty Bamber is/was guilty recruits, could possibly know what sort of an influence, such failures, or successes, may have, or did have, or could have contributed to the outcome of this tragedy! It was a reckless decision by her doctor, to halve the amount of Haloperiodal given to her, so close to the time of 'the happennings'..

'Sheila' was not docile, as suggested by those who think that 'Jeremy Bamber' killed her victims!

She was 'alert enough', to 'write a suicide note' in her 'own hand'! She removed a tampon, from an unopened box of tampons that were found upon a bed in her room! An 'empty' tampon container was found downstairs in the living room', and during autopsy, the pathologist confirmed that there was a tampon inserted vaginally! I would suggest, that everything that 'Sheila' had to do (and did) in the entire process and procedure of placing her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket of cold water [in the kitchen], of her opening a box of 10 tampons in her bedroom and carrying one such tampon downstairs into the living room, where she removed a tampon from its packaging, and personally inserted it intimately into herself, then wash and rinse out the pair of light blue night attire legggings, and droop these over the bannister rail [half way between the main bedroom entrance and her own bedroom door, in the general region of the top landing/top of the main stairs]. She then [at about 7.15am] placed a rifle at a box room window located in between the main bedroom, and the children's bedroom, before making her way back downstairs into the kitchen, to face her preconceived fate! 'Sheila' was so docile and confused that she sorted out a second wooden chair, in front of a similar wooden chair upon which `Ralph Bamber' had slumped due to the fact that by that/this stage, he had been 'non fatally wounded 4 times' already!

Need I say more?


It was not damaged.

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Todays technology cannot change that.

Today's technology is not required to resolve this miscarriage of justice, all' Jeremy' and most others would have liked, and still insist, on the full disclosure of all aspects of the investigation!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2022, 09:10:PM by mike tesko »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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The nightdress was tested in 1985.

It had -

No GSR

No oil.

No lubricant.

Only Sheila's blood on.

It was not damaged.

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Todays technology cannot change that.

Have a read up Adam on the sample size required for DNA analysis years ago compared to today and tell me what you discover.


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Is there all that much in this [`Yes'there is] . If Sheila was the last person to be shot[`by whom'] it's very possible that traces of blood from the other victims could've easily be deposited on her nightdress.  [`including for the possibility, that 'Sheila' had shot herself, or that she was shot by police on one, or two different occasions']

Regarding the attack on Nevill and June [`which could have been at the hand of 'Sheila' intertwined with the strong possibility, that at some stage, 'Neville' and 'June' attacked eachother, or indeed, that during a police exercise, the police trainees fired live rounds into the bodies of victims who they believed to be dead.][It remains distinctly possible, that 'whilst' carrying out 'the practice of informatives', that when police were reconstructing the position of 'Sheila Caffells' body, that 'the rifle in question discharged a shot' which actually did kill her'! once JB exited the room ['if, he was there'] June could've staggered over to Neville   [`and whilst the parents were struggling with one another'] he in turn goes after JB or, of course the following could be true. For example, 'Neville Bamber' managed to get himself downstairs and make a desperate but short telephone call to 'Jeremy' which 'he' terminated the duration of, because, 'Neville' needed to call the police (3.26am) to alert them what had, and was taking place inside the somewhat isolated location of the farmhouse, from where 'Neville' was contacting them from the farmhouse telephone line'.. . Whatever way it happened there is a very distinct possibility of cross contamination of Neville, June and Sheila's blood.[`Yeah', a fair point] I think it would be very surprising if there was no cross contamination of the blood of the victims given the circumstances.[`including, the strong possibility that any cross contaminaction of all their blood types, at the time 'Sheila shot the others'] We simple don't know for sure the order of the murders. So a lot of claims regarding blood groups can't be proved beyond reasonable doubt. 'that' was 'a matter which the jury needed to hear about', and which 'the evidence of such' was' not disclosed' to 'the defense counsel' or 'to the court which tried the matter'...

Also very possible that Sheila was awakened by the commotion   'There was' and is 'no evidence', whatsoever, that 'Sheila' slept 'at all' during 'the evening and the night of 6th/7th August 1985' and could've easily gone into Junes room and would've obviously tried to help June.[`or, as 'the case may be', when 'Sheila' went into the main bedroom intent on shooting 'June' dead..] Again possible contamination.[`or', 'inevitable cross contamination']Shock and horror would've played a massive part in all of this[`which was surely the role' and 'responsibity of the jury', to make 'any judgement upon', but 'they were never given such an opportunity to pass judgement upon' relating 'to this issue'. So both could've been paralysed with fear. 'I guess', the 'same paralysis' and 'fear', on the part of the prosecution', its 'experts', 'police', and 'some members of the public'. If the true circumstances of the multiple contamination of 'Sheila Caffells' nightdress had been disclosed to the defense, the court, and the jury, the verdict would have been totally different!!!

[`Instead, everybody was being told that there was no other persons blood group types on the nightdress [which was not, and is not true!]

JB then returns after the fight with Neville.[`there exists no evidence capable of supporting this narrative! I mean as previously stated I'm not a student of this case but regarding this thread I can't see anything conclusive.['wait and see']
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Is there all that much in this. If Sheila was the last person to be shot, it's very possible that traces of blood from the other victims could've easily be deposited on her nightdress.

Regarding the attack on Nevill and June, once JB exited the room, June could've staggered over to Neville, he in turn goes after JB. Whatever way it happened there is a very distinct possibility of cross contamination of Neville, June and Sheila's blood. I think it would be very surprising if there was no cross contamination of the blood of the victims given the circumstances. We simple don't know for sure the order of the murders. So a lot of claims regarding blood groups can't be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

Also very possible that Sheila was awakened by the commotion and could've easily gone into Junes room and would've obviously tried to help June. Again possible contamination. Shock and horror would've played a massive part in all of this. So both could've been paralysed with fear.

JB then returns after the fight with Neville. I mean as previously stated I'm not a student of this case but regarding this thread I can't see anything conclusive.

What was the prosecution's case at trial, regarding blood samples found on her nightdress?  Genuine question, as I can't remember.

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The nightdress was tested in 1985.

It had -

No GSR

No oil.

No lubricant.

Only Sheila's blood on.

It was not damaged.

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Todays technology cannot change that.



The nightdress was only tested for blood.

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The nightdress was only tested for blood.



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Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.
[`Not true']

The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found. ['The prosecutions case insofar as the only blood found to be present on the front and back of the nightdress belonged exclusively to' Sheila Caffell', was / is 'a blatent lie']

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.
'The nightdres' (exhibit 'ND/3', lab' item no. 19) was [never tested for the presence of any firearm residue'] 

The photos also show the nightdress was not damaged. ['I beg to differ']

All her fingertips were clean and free from any blood, dirt or powder and there appeared to be no trace of any lead dust or coating which is usual when handling .22 ammunition.[`Not true']

Obviously none of these were found on her nightdress either. [`because no such testing of the nightdress took place']
« Last Edit: April 04, 2022, 06:31:AM by mike tesko »
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51.

Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.


The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.

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The photos also show the nightdress was not damaged.

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All her fingertips were clean and free from any blood, dirt or powder and there appeared to be no trace of any lead dust or coating which is usual when handling .22 ammunition.

Obviously none of these were found on her nightdress either.

Exactly.  The nightdress was only tested for blood.

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Because the powers that be had JB guilty from the onset nobody would bother with any further testing etc.
Then when family and friends joined in there was no hope for Jeremy. This is the way I see it, he was doomed  :(


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Exactly.  The nightdress was only tested for blood.

'The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.'
« Last Edit: April 04, 2022, 11:33:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Exactly.  The nightdress was only tested for blood.

'All her fingertips were clean and free from any blood, dirt or powder and there appeared to be no trace of any lead dust or coating which is usual when handling .22 ammunition.'

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Obviously none of these were found on her nightdress either.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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No evidence on Sheila's hands, fingers, nails, body, face & nightdress confirms Bamber as the killer.

Supporters counter this in different ways -

JackieD posts about Julie identifying the twins.

Lookout posts about her gut feeling.

Rob posts about the nightdress being disposed 11 years after the masacre.

QC says if the police had waited until  2022 for a trial there will be more reasonable doubt.

Snow66! says Bamber would have crashed into things in the twins bedroom & woken everyone up.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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'The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.'

Didn't it later come to light, that the item was only examined visually?  What's the betting that this visual examination, (which for the purposes of EP served for an examination) was actually preceded by a proper examination, the results of which were / are contradictory to to the findings of the visual examination?

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No evidence on Sheila's hands, fingers, nails, body, face & nightdress confirms Bamber as the killer.

Supporters counter this in different ways -

JackieD posts about Julie identifying the twins.

Lookout posts about her gut feeling.

Rob posts about the nightdress being disposed 11 years after the masacre.

QC says if the police had waited until  2022 for a trial there will be more reasonable doubt.

Snow66! says Bamber would have crashed into things in the twins bedroom & woken everyone up.






Didn't Stan Jones say that he had a " gut-feeling " that JB was guilty ?
Well I have the same " gut-feeling " about JB's innocence !

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'The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.'

So what are you saying Adam Sheila was shot with a air rifle?

The rifle was only inches away there must have been GSR on her.