Bamber controlling a fully fit Sheila.

[Adam]

It's good that you're clueing us in like this Adam.  I've certainly benefited from your insights.  I was starting to get drawn in by Rob and Snow.  Rob's a smooth talker.  You've pulled me back from the brink.

As said, the main significance of Sheila's condition, is that together with the crime scene evidence, it rules her out as a suspect.

Sheila couldn't get off sofa's without help. Let alone have the physical & mental attributes to hold her family hostage & then kill them.

Bamber was going ahead regardless but was aware Sheila will have her good & bad moments. He decided it was 'now or never' after his latest reconnaissance.

[snow66!]

It's good that you're clueing us in like this Adam.  I've certainly benefited from your insights.  I was starting to get drawn in by Rob and Snow.  Rob's a smooth talker.  You've pulled me back from the brink.

I presume you wrote this with your tongue in your cheek Gascoigne.

[Adam]

Bamber would have done reconnaissance every evening at WHF while Sheila & the twins were there.

Mainly to ensure they were all still staying the night there. Sheila having a relapse or one of the twins having an accident on the farm, may have resulted in an overnight stay at hospital.

He would also monitor Sheila. If she was still awake.

[Adam]

Obviously his last reconnaissance, Sheila was still awake. As well as being very docile. As confirmed by Bamber & PB.

Everyone else required was inside WHF & already asleep or about to go to bed.

[Jane]

Good morning Jane.It was Dr Wilkinson who addministered the last dose of Haloperidol in the evening,because Sheila had missed her appointment earlier that day.And let us not forget it should have been 150mg not 100,quite a serious mistake for a start,but we are told its still a theraputic dose.Now i would say Sheila was quite an ill patient,you dont get threatened with a nursing home at 28years  old unless something is seriously out of the ordinary.Now,you say it was up to Sheila to take all her meds as a grown up.But she was a very ill grown up,and Dr Fergusson stated many times that she was a difficult patient who could not be trusted to take her meds regularly.It should have been imperative to pass on all this info to Sheilas GP,and as soon as Sheila asked for the Haloperidol to be reduced because of tiredness,a symptom that SHOULD have been controlled by the procyclidene,alarm bells should have immediately rung.The first thing Dr Wilkinson should have done was quiz Sheila about the proc  tablets before even considering reducing the dose of Haloperidol.Dont you agree Jane? And i will say again,how many prescriptions of the procyclidene tablets did Sheila recieve,she couldnt possibly take them if she didnt have any to take.So her GP should have checked if she had a current supply of the tablets and whether she was taking them or not BEFORE any decision about the Haloperidol was taken.And surely in Dr Wilkinsons discussion with Dr Angeloglou  which took place after the injection was given,the procyclidene tablets would have been discussed.So i will say again,how many times was Sheila prescribed the procyclidene tablets,and how many were found after her death.They couldnt just disappear,unless Sheila was flushing them down the toilet,You seem to think it is ok to simply accept Sheila was a grown up with rights and therefore be trusted to take her meds or otherwise without interference.But she was a very ill grown up,and if the Doctors knew she was prone to skipping her meds,surely intermediate checks should have been made on her,especially when she requested to have the Haloperidol reduced.Surely this was a red light for a discussion with her.As far as i can see the procyclidene tablets issue and whether Sheila was taking them or not,and how many times she was prescribed them has simply been swept under the carpet as irrellivent.And the thing is CAL had the chance to quiz Dr Fergusson about the tablets as well as the Haloperidol when interviewing him,but little is said about them,only that theySUSPECTED she may not have been taking them.Is this good enough,shouldnt they have made damned sure if Sheila was taking the tablets or not BEFORE reducing the Haloperidol,which some feel could have caused the catastrophe that followed.

"Threatened"!! Who was "threatening" Sheila? June may have thought she'd benefit from, what used to be called convalescence. I don't recall her being forced.

Had Dr Ferguson said "MANY" times that Sheila was "difficult"? I would suggest that, had she been as ill as you're claiming her to be, she'd had been forcibly kept in hospital under a section which is the usual way for those considered to be a danger to themselves or others. We don't know that procyclidene wasn't discussed in such a way as to ask her if she was remembering to take them. Exactly what do you think they'd have done if she hadn't? She couldn't be forced. Nor do we know that they weren't part of regular monthly issue. Whether or not she took them, or flushed them down the loo, was her responsibility and wouldn't have, in any way, contributed to her being shot.

The mental health nurses -those intermediaries you mention- didn't see her. I don't know if information didn't filter through to the NHS, or whether they visited and Sheila wasn't there/didn't answer the door. I suspect that nothing much was said about procyclidene because whilst taking them might have made life better for her, NOT taking them wasn't a life or death thing.

I think you're trying to make much more of this than is absolutely necessary.  I don't believe her to have been as mentally ill as you claim her to have been, but I do believe her to have been depressed.

[Adam]

Bamber stole June's bike just before Sheila and the twins arrived at WHF. After finding out they were visiting.

This gave him time to do the trial run Julie mentioned.

It was then a case of choosing the night a few hours after his reconnaissance. 

[Adam]

His trial run may have been at night.

Supporters have said Bamber couldn't have cycled in the dark. Although he had lived & worked in the area for a lot of his 24 years.

[Adam]

Believe there were 3 possible cycle routes. Or he may have used a combination of all three.

He would certainly have been cycling along cycle and footpaths. Maybe also roads. He did not need to cycle across fields.

[Rob_]

As said, the main significance of Sheila's condition, is that together with the crime scene evidence, it rules her out as a suspect.

Sheila couldn't get off sofa's without help. Let alone have the physical & mental attributes to hold her family hostage & then kill them.

Bamber was going ahead regardless but was aware Sheila will have her good & bad moments. He decided it was 'now or never' after his latest reconnaissance.

If Sheila could not even get off the sofa Adam, I think JB doing his reconnaissance would have become alarmed and cancelled his mission? JB would not know who else would have been aware of this, if they came forward the game was up.

[Adam]

If Sheila could not even get off the sofa Adam, I think JB doing his reconnaissance would have become alarmed and cancelled his mission? JB would not know who else would have been aware of this, if they came forward the game was up.

Who else would be aware?

Bamber was not aware of PB's phone call. CC had not seen her for days.

[Rob_]

Who else would be aware?

Bamber was not aware of PB's phone call. CC had not seen her for days.

Everyone who knew her!

So you are saying she never spoke on the trip down to WHF, could not get off the sofa so by implication could not get in and out of the car unaided, yet she was trusted in looking after two small boys.

[snow66!]

If Sheila could not even get off the sofa Adam, I think JB doing his reconnaissance would have become alarmed and cancelled his mission? JB would not know who else would have been aware of this, if they came forward the game was up.

Hi Rob,how are you tonight.Yes that has all gone through my head as well.How on earth could you blame someone who could BARELY walk or talk for the murders.Adam has Sheila worse than an 80 year old with dementia.

[Jane]

Everyone who knew her!

So you are saying she never spoke on the trip down to WHF, could not get off the sofa so by implication could not get in and out of the car unaided, yet she was trusted in looking after two small boys.

Of course, there is such a thing as speaking figuratively, isn't there. Unless she'd stood for the duration of the party, she must have been seated at some time, in fact we know she did because one of the boys climbed onto her lap. She wasn't trusted to have the boys on her own -for the most part, they were with Colin- and from the conversation June had with Pam, one can see why. Apart from how she was at the time, girls from her background, like their mother, didn't have full responsibility for their children. It was left to au pairs, or, preferably 'village girls' whose families had worked for them for generations.

[Adam]

Everyone who knew her!

So you are saying she never spoke on the trip down to WHF, could not get off the sofa so by implication could not get in and out of the car unaided, yet she was trusted in looking after two small boys.

Sheila's Haloperiodal put her in different phases. Sometimes she could be alert.

On the night, she was awake but very docile and uncordinated. As previously said with 14 sources.

Bamber was not aware PB & Michael Horsnell's had seen/spoken to Sheila a few hours before he cycled over on June's stolen bike. 

[guest29835]

Hi Rob,how are you tonight.Yes that has all gone through my head as well.How on earth could you blame someone who could BARELY walk or talk for the murders.Adam has Sheila worse than an 80 year old with dementia.

It's a good job Adam is here to keep me on the right track.  You and Rob almost had me thinking Jeremy could be innocent.  Adam does sometimes have to give me the 'hard word' on the open forum, but without his moral support, I don't know where I'd be.