Bamber controlling a fully fit Sheila.

[Roch]

Alcohol rehab clinic? 

David, please drop this line of posting.

[lookout]

He did say that. It was because she'd failed/forgotten to take her oral medication and hadn't attended follow up appointments. The the decision was then taken to dose her intravenously.

If I remember rightly it was after Sheila's final visit to the hospital. Really and truthfully no time at all before the intravenous medication would actually " take a hold ". It would also have been a slow release medication. Sheila wouldn't have gained the full advantage of it.

[lookout]

With any therapeutic medication you have to wait at least 6 weeks for it to take effect until you feel the benefit, so whenever Sheila had her first injection, then come the end of July when she'd been all but ready for her next, only a small amount had been found in her system so the full benefit was failing.

[David1819]

David, please drop this line of posting.

Why?

[Jane]

If I remember rightly it was after Sheila's final visit to the hospital. Really and truthfully no time at all before the intravenous medication would actually " take a hold ". It would also have been a slow release medication. Sheila wouldn't have gained the full advantage of it.

I'd thought it was when she was admitted for her final visit when it was ascertained that she hadn't taken her meds. Naturally, under those circumstances there'd have been no chance of keeping the illness under control. I'm not clear about which of her meds you're describing as being slow release, but if you mean the injections, which she'd been having since prior to leaving hospital and had subsequently received 3 or 4 doses, if it hadn't started working by then, one presumes it to have been slow enough to have been going in reverse!!! Perhaps you were referring to the oral meds?

[Jane]

With any therapeutic medication you have to wait at least 6 weeks for it to take effect until you feel the benefit, so whenever Sheila had her first injection, then come the end of July when she'd been all but ready for her next, only a small amount had been found in her system so the full benefit was failing.

It wasn't considered to have been so.

[Roch]

Why?

It's personally abusive towards the member in question and I can advise you that it's not appreciated by other members. If I am wrong then maybe other members will correct me.

[lookout]

I'd thought it was when she was admitted for her final visit when it was ascertained that she hadn't taken her meds. Naturally, under those circumstances there'd have been no chance of keeping the illness under control. I'm not clear about which of her meds you're describing as being slow release, but if you mean the injections, which she'd been having since prior to leaving hospital and had subsequently received 3 or 4 doses, if it hadn't started working by then, one presumes it to have been slow enough to have been going in reverse!!! Perhaps you were referring to the oral meds?

The slow release would have been the intravenous one when her first dose was 200mls ? ( monthly ) ----this was not a lot considering that 450 max is given for those who have psychosis.
What Sheila was having should have been followed up a week or two later as unless it's kept to the higher dose they DO relapse---without a doubt.

[lookout]

That final halved dose was as good as useless.

[lookout]

Sheila had obviously been more ill than Ferguson had realised. Mistakes have and do happen. He didn't see her in the actual lead-up to the tragedies, nor did anyone else so far as I can gather.

[Jane]

That final halved dose was as good as useless.

I believe it to have been the second reduced dose she'd had, but I won't accept that towards the end of each month its efficacy was waning, because that would mean she'd have been feeling 'off' for one week every month -poor girl, and everyone else being medicated in the same way, become a potential murderer for a week or ten days before their next injection. This would have been catered for by injecting every three weeks to counteract it.

[Adam]

Not sure what else can be supplied to show that Sheila was sadly a sitting duck -

CAL - Zombie.

Wilkes - Zombie.

CAL - Sheila unable to get off sofa's without help. 

PB's WS.

Bamber's WS.

Julie's WS.

Michael Horsnell.

Sheila on Haloperidol.

The numerous strong side effects of Haloperiodal.

Sheila asking her dosage to be reduced as she could not function.

Bamber's appearance around an hour after the massacre.

The crime scene evidence.

[lookout]

I believe it to have been the second reduced dose she'd had, but I won't accept that towards the end of each month its efficacy was waning, because that would mean she'd have been feeling 'off' for one week every month -poor girl, and everyone else being medicated in the same way, become a potential murderer for a week or ten days before their next injection. This would have been catered for by injecting every three weeks to counteract it.

A drop in the medication such as Sheila was taking would have been a disaster as a sudden reduction can render her condition to return with a vengeance.

[lookout]

It goes for many medications really which are classed as therapeutic as opposed to " as and when ".

[Jane]

A drop in the medication such as Sheila was taking would have been a disaster as a sudden reduction can render her condition to return with a vengeance.

She'd received 2 lower dose injections and her blood/urine was still showing moderate levels.