Was Sheila's condition at WHF irrelevant to Bamber?

[snow66!]

You have not read my thread post.

Bamber was going ahead regardless of Sheila's condition beforehand. 

He only had a 4 day window of opportunity.

Keep up.

Ok Adam,so lets say her medication was working extremely well and Sheila was basically back to normal,surely JB must have known he was going to have problems.She could have quite easiily have wakened up during the massacre,and possibly even sneak up and hit him over the hesd with something.Or at the very least struggle violently to stay alive.No you have to admit,a severely sedated Sheila is the only way a JB scenario works Adam,and there simply isnt adequate evidence to prove this.Is there?

[Steve_uk]

Ok Adam,so lets say her medication was working extremely well and Sheila was basically back to normal,surely JB must have known he was going to have problems.She could have quite easiily have wakened up during the massacre,and possibly even sneak up and hit him over the hesd with something.Or at the very least struggle violently to stay alive.No you have to admit,a severely sedated Sheila is the only way a JB scenario works Adam,and there simply isnt adequate evidence to prove this.Is there?

He had witnessed her up close since the Sunday. They had conducted a ten-minute conversation in the field that last teatime, as Nicholas and Daniel climbed the stationary tractor, their little hands grasping the gear levers, typical of the ingenuousness which characterized their six years on God's earth. There was a suspicion of a row between the siblings, which soured the atmosphere thenceforth, as Jeremy, who felt nothing for the soil and no attachment to the milieu he found himself in, determined to execute the plan he had harboured in his mind for so long..https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.msg151053.html#msg151053

[snow66!]

He had witnessed her up close since the Sunday. They had conducted a ten-minute conversation in the field that last teatime, as Nicholas and Daniel climbed the stationary tractor, their little hands grasping the gear levers, typical of the ingenuousness which characterized their six years on God's earth. There was a suspicion of a row between the siblings, which soured the atmosphere thenceforth, as Jeremy, who felt nothing for the soil and no attachment to the milieu he found himself in, determined to execute the plan he had harboured in his mind for so long..https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.msg151053.html#msg151053

Well,i would say the same as Patti ,steve,where did you get all that from.It seems every thought each member of the Bamber family had ,is in the public domain.Did they all keep diarys in which the wrote their inermost private thoughts? I dont think so.Everyone seems to think they are a psychologist who knows the thoughts and motives of all involved.You even tell me JBs motive and what he has thought and reflected on since being jailed,yet JB still protests his INNOCENCE and has addmitted NOTHING.

[Steve_uk]

Well,i would say the same as Patti ,steve,where did you get all that from.It seems every thought each member of the Bamber family had ,is in the public domain.Did they all keep diarys in which the wrote their inermost private thoughts? I dont think so.Everyone seems to think they are a psychologist who knows the thoughts and motives of all involved.You even tell me JBs motive and what he has thought and reflected on since being jailed,yet JB still protests his INNOCENCE and has addmitted NOTHING.

He more or less admitted to Mike on Christmas Day 1989 that he was Sheila's accomplice.

[lookout]

He more or less admitted to Mike on Christmas Day 1989 that he was Sheila's accomplice.

I'd take that with a pinch of salt too.

[snow66!]

He more or less admitted to Mike on Christmas Day 1989 that he was Sheila's accomplice.

Yes i know what Mike said Steve,but he has since explained he misinterpreted what JB meant.

[Adam]

Anyway. Slow progress has been made.

After months of planning, Bamber was going ahead with the massacre attempt.

He had a 4 evening window of opportunity. Goodness knows when the next chance would be.

Sheila's condition was neither here or there. He had no control over that. If Sheila was fully alert or like a zombie, he was confident.

[snow66!]

Yes i know what Mike said Steve,but he has since explained he misinterpreted what JB meant.

And remember Steve,i have reasonable doudt.I am quite willing to accept Jb is guilty as well as innocent.I have no AGENDA ,whatever that phrase is supposed to mean that keeps cropping up from time to time.Just show me a bit of reliable CONCRETE evidence,not weak circumstantial stuff and silencers and scratch marks found after the crime scene was vacated.And adequately explain all the annomolies like the two bodies in the kitchen,the conversation,and the timely destroying of evidence to a believable degree.Oh,and the biggie for me,the way JB finished off Sheila.Untill then Steve i will remain to have reasonable doubt and treat JBas innocent until proven guilty to my satisfaction.

[Steve_uk]

And remember Steve,i have reasonable doudt.I am quite willing to accept Jb is guilty as well as innocent.I have no AGENDA ,whatever that phrase is supposed to mean that keeps cropping up from time to time.Just show me a bit of reliable CONCRETE evidence,not weak circumstantial stuff and silencers and scratch marks found after the crime scene was vacated.And adequately explain all the annomolies like the two bodies in the kitchen,the conversation,and the timely destroying of evidence to a believable degree.Oh,and the biggie for me,the way JB finished off Sheila.Untill then Steve i will remain to have reasonable doubt and treat JBas innocent until proven guilty to my satisfaction.

Well let's do the biggie first: Jeremy loused up. The body in the kitchen had straggly hair protruding from a coal scuttle, hence Nevill being mistaken for a woman when police peered tentatively through the window. The case is circumstantial, but as the saying goes: a circumstantial case is like a rope-one thread alone is insufficient to support a weight, but several strands working together may do so..

[snow66!]

Well let's do the biggie first: Jeremy loused up. The body in the kitchen had straggly hair protruding from a coal scuttle, hence Nevill being mistaken for a woman when police peered tentatively through the window. The case is circumstantial, but as the saying goes: a circumstantial case is like a rope-one thread alone is insufficient to support a weight, but several strands working together may do so..

Loused up in what way Steve,thinking Sheila was more sedated than she really was,or for carrying out the massacre regardless of Sheilas condition,since another oppertunity would not arise any tine soon?And as for the bodies in the kitchen Steve,read the documents Mike produced and you will see two bodies in kitcheh reported UPON ENTRY,not looking through the window.

[Jane]

Loused up in what way Steve,thinking Sheila was more sedated than she really was,or for carrying out the massacre regardless of Sheilas condition,since another oppertunity would not arise any tine soon?And as for the bodies in the kitchen Steve,read the documents Mike produced and you will see two bodies in kitcheh reported UPON ENTRY,not looking through the window.

Perhaps it can be looked at thus; Policeman A, thinks the body he sees, having long flowing hair, is female. He radios in to HQ with this information. Policeman B, thinks the body he sees is male. He radios in the information to HQ. Seeking to condense what must have been information coming at them from everywhere, HQ helpfully records it as two bodies, male and female. End of the mystery created by those who want to complicate things.

[Steve_uk]

Loused up in what way Steve,thinking Sheila was more sedated than she really was,or for carrying out the massacre regardless of Sheilas condition,since another oppertunity would not arise any tine soon?And as for the bodies in the kitchen Steve,read the documents Mike produced and you will see two bodies in kitcheh reported UPON ENTRY,not looking through the window.

He loused up in needing two bullets to kill his sister. Two-way radio communication was contemporaneous, so unsurprising that mistakes in transcription occurred.

[lookout]

Well let's do the biggie first: Jeremy loused up. The body in the kitchen had straggly hair protruding from a coal scuttle, hence Nevill being mistaken for a woman when police peered tentatively through the window. The case is circumstantial, but as the saying goes: a circumstantial case is like a rope-one thread alone is insufficient to support a weight, but several strands working together may do so..

Steve, Nevill's head wasn't in the scuttle until police put it there.

[Rob_]

Perhaps it can be looked at thus; Policeman A, thinks the body he sees, having long flowing hair, is female. He radios in to HQ with this information. Policeman B, thinks the body he sees is male. He radios in the information to HQ. Seeking to condense what must have been information coming at them from everywhere, HQ helpfully records it as two bodies, male and female. End of the mystery created by those who want to complicate things.

Another dopy mistake maybe? but if I had been briefed that there was a 6'4" grey haired male and two very slender dark haired females in the house it's difficult to see how this mistake was made, and even more difficult why this was not immediately corrected on entry to the house?

[Steve_uk]

Steve, Nevill's head wasn't in the scuttle until police put it there.

Either way police saw the straggly hair of a corpse and reached the wrong conclusion of its gender.