Was Sheila's condition at WHF irrelevant to Bamber?

[Rob_]

Both supporters & guilters will agree Sheila's condition would not deter Bamber.

He only had a short window of opportunity & the rewards were huge.

He was going to attempt to kill a 6.4 male, so Sheila being fully alert was not going to deter him.

On the flip side, Sheila being very docile beforehand would make him more confident & enthusiastic.

What would deter him would be the way he planned and committed the crime meant he was the only survivor of a crime with only two possible suspects.

[lookout]

People who are severely depressed barely, if at all, leave their homes let alone go to parties. Self-neglect is also evident, so no partying or even shopping as Sheila had done. Hers was an entirely different set of circumstances in that she could be " on a high " one minute then a low whereas a depressive is on a permanent low. Wild horses wouldn't make them move. Sheila's was more anxiety bordering on what we now know of OCD as reassurance featured a lot in her life, uncertainty on how she looked ( modelling )

June herself had suffered severe depression and knew what it was like, hence her misunderstanding of Sheila's condition as well as her obvious lack of empathy being that she, June, had undergone 2 treatments of ECT----which rarely works in the long term.

This is the difference between a depressive and someone who's psychotic such as Sheila was, though Sheila could well have had a form of depression to begin with until it snow-balled. I'd have said it began with postpartum psychosis which sadly wasn't as recognised back in the 70's as it is now.

[Jane]

She had gone to Rags nightclub on the Friday evening.There had been a party at Colin's on Saturday and she set off with Nicholas, Daniel and her ex-husband on the Sunday. They were due to stay a week, whereupon Colin and the twins were to spend a week in Norway with Colin's sister.

It is worth noting, before posters try to make a big thing of her partying, that she is said to have been not entirely there/'elsewhere'/vacant during said party.

[lookout]

It is worth noting, before posters try to make a big thing of her partying, that she is said to have been not entirely there/'elsewhere'/vacant during said party.

Also vacant when killing the family too---delusional etc which is usual during a psychotic attack.

[lookout]

It's very frightening to witness someone displaying a psychotic attack----also a danger too. Both parents would truly have been petrified beyond imagination. A sight they'd never have thought they'd ever see.

[Adam]

It's very frightening to witness someone displaying a psychotic attack----also a danger too. Both parents would truly have been petrified beyond imagination. A sight they'd never have thought they'd ever see.

Agree with that.

[lookout]

Agree with that.

Yes, and their own daughter at that. Just how does a father deal with his daughter in such a case ? 

[snow66!]

It's very frightening to witness someone displaying a psychotic attack----also a danger too. Both parents would truly have been petrified beyond imagination. A sight they'd never have thought they'd ever see.

Would she have gained strength too Lookout?

[Adam]

Yes, and their own daughter at that. Just how does a father deal with his daughter in such a case ?

A fully fit Nevill would negate the situation straight away.

This was real life, not 'Fawlty Towers'.

[Adam]

Doubtful Bamber gave what Sheila's condition before the massacre would be, much thought, when planning the massacre. It was something he would have no control over.

He would only have a short window of opportunity. So had to go ahead regardless.

The evidence states she was very docile on the night. Which was a bonus for him & got him so hyped he rang Julie as soon as he got home to tell her 'it's now or never'. 

[snow66!]

Doubtful Bamber gave what Sheila's condition before the massacre would be, much thought, when planning the massacre. It was something he would have no control over.

He would only have a short window of opportunity. So had to go ahead regardless.

The evidence states she was very docile on the night. Which was a bonus for him & got him so hyped he rang Julie as soon as he got home to tell her 'it's now or never'.

Hi Adam,nice day isnt it.Now,it is becoming very clear the subject of Sheilas condition on the night of the massacre and how she was shot ,troubles you greatly.You HAVE to convince yourself she was severely sedated for a JB scenario to work.Deep down in your mind you know there is problems,you are even trying to convince yourself that JB was so hyped up it didnt matter if she was Geoff Capes.He was going through with it whatever.You are all over the place.But you still keep stating the evidence shows shr was docile,so you are going with Sheila possibly sleeping through the shooting,and either led through or carried to the bedroom to be shot without objection in a room full of blood and carnage.I think your scenario still troubles you greatly deep down Adam,but you simply keep any doudts with it tightly suppressed.Simple scenario,she sat down and shot herself.

[lookout]

Would she have gained strength too Lookout?

Strength of an ox, snow66.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Adam,nice day isnt it.Now,it is becoming very clear the subject of Sheilas condition on the night of the massacre and how she was shot ,troubles you greatly.You HAVE to convince yourself she was severely sedated for a JB scenario to work.Deep down in your mind you know there is problems,you are even trying to convince yourself that JB was so hyped up it didnt matter if she was Geoff Capes.He was going through with it whatever.You are all over the place.But you still keep stating the evidence shows shr was docile,so you are going with Sheila possibly sleeping through the shooting,and either led through or carried to the bedroom to be shot without objection in a room full of blood and carnage.I think your scenario still troubles you greatly deep down Adam,but you simply keep any doudts with it tightly suppressed.Simple scenario,she sat down and shot herself.

She couldn't even hold down a cleaning job gained from Massey's Employment Agency on Baker Street. It became evident to her parents that she would not be able to support herself in the future, hence June's decision in consultation with solicitor Basil Cock to provide her with an allowance paid quarterly on 18 July. Jeremy would regard this manoeuvre as further eroding his inheritance.

[Jane]

Also vacant when killing the family too---delusional etc which is usual during a psychotic attack.

Indeed so. However, the two psychotic attacks Sheila was known to have had, happened 1) prior to her being under medical care/undiagnosed/unmedicated, and 2) although diagnosed and having prescribed medication, declining to take it. In neither of these attacks was an attempt made to hurt anyone other than herself.

 Sheila, according to the tox report posted, today, by Rob, far from saying what many supporters have recently claimed, ie that she was undermedicated, still had an adequate and theraputic distribution of h
Haloperidol in her system, which would have meant she was adequately covered until her next dose. The chances of her having a psychotic attack, under such conditions, are as close to being 
almost impossible as makes no difference.

[lookout]

Indeed so. However, the two psychotic attacks Sheila was known to have had, happened 1) prior to her being under medical care/undiagnosed/unmedicated, and 2) although diagnosed and having prescribed medication, declining to take it. In neither of these attacks was an attempt made to hurt anyone other than herself.

 Sheila, according to the tox report posted, today, by Rob, far from saying what many supporters have recently claimed, ie that she was undermedicated, still had an adequate and theraputic distribution of h
Haloperidol in her system, which would have meant she was adequately covered until her next dose. The chances of her having a psychotic attack, under such conditions, are as close to being 
almost impossible as makes no difference.

We'll never know of any other attacks that Sheila had, other than when she punched walls when in the company of Emami but in her mind on the night of the murders everything in her life obviously came to the forefront as the thought of someone else being involved in the boys lives other than herself would have had a drastic effect and one which would have caused her to think deeply of what the future held.
Medication in her system or not Sheila had made sure on that night that her boys were going nowhere and neither was anyone else. It just happened the day before they were going to have gone away, so she knew she'd timed that right.

Sheila had been prone to outbursts so the easy availability to weapons was the answer, whereas wherever else she was living/ staying, there was no easy way out.