Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

Snow's question Adam is why did the angle of the shot change from approx 80 degrees to almost in line with her body?

Exactly Rob,non fatal shot at 80 degrees.Fatal shot about 25 degrees.

[Rob_]

Hi Rob,hope your well.Fact is Adam dishes it out,so he will just have to take it as well.As for the two shots to Sheila,its a very simple question i am asking.Why did JB mess up the first non fatal shot.Dosent make ANY sense to me,if he forced her down as the police say,all he had to do was lay the gun on top of her and place it under her chin.The bullet would then automatically go up into her brain,job done.But no we are supposed to believe he sat her up and shot her in the neck front on in a position that would have been awkward to control Sheila or the gun.And we are supposed to believe JB thought this would be a fatal shot.Dosent ring true to me Rob,especially after checking the angle that the two shots were fired at.

The shot to Sheila has always been a mystery to me Snow it's why I became interested in the case when watching the WHF series.

No one would shoot someone in the neck if they were trying to make it look like suicide, there are rare multiple shot suicides around 4% but not to my knowledge involving someone shooting them self in the neck first?

[snow66!]

Both shots were fatal.

One instantly. The other not instantly.

Yes Adam,agreed.But why not put the first bullet in the brain,and save the need for a second SUSPICIOUS shot.Thats all that is being asked.WHAT prevented him from doing this ,if Sheila was frozen stiff?

[Adam]

The shot to Sheila has always been a mystery to me Snow it's why I became interested in the case when watching the WHF series.

No one would shoot someone in the neck if they were trying to make it look like suicide, there are rare multiple shot suicides around 4% but not to my knowledge involving someone shooting them self in the neck first?

Interesting.

[Rob_]

Interesting.

Yes so don't twist it Adam, my point is a killer trying to make it look like suicide would not aim for someones neck.

[Adam]

Yes Adam,agreed.But why not put the first bullet in the brain,and save the need for a second SUSPICIOUS shot.Thats all that is being asked.WHAT prevented him from doing this ,if Sheila was frozen stiff?

The first shot was very accurate & damaging. It was a fatal shot but not instantly.

Bamber decided to fire a second shot at some point before exiting WHF.

All this was stated in 1986.

[snow66!]

The shot to Sheila has always been a mystery to me Snow it's why I became interested in the case when watching the WHF series.

No one would shoot someone in the neck if they were trying to make it look like suicide, there are rare multiple shot suicides around 4% but not to my knowledge involving someone shooting them self in the neck first?

Watch what you are saying Rob.If Sheila commited suicide,she DID shoot herself in the neck first.Ha ,ha.

[Rob_]

The first shot was very accurate & damaging. It was a fatal shot but not instantly.

Bamber decided to fire a second shot at some point before exiting WHF.

All this was stated in 1986.

I though it was generally accepted due to the blood staining etc. that the two shots were fired in fairly quick succession?

[Adam]

'there are rare multiple shot suicides around 4% but not to my knowledge involving someone shooting them self in the neck first'

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It is doubtful Bamber was aware of this. There was no internet in 1986.

However he certainly knew where to aim the rifle to achieve an instant/non instant fatal shot.

[Rob_]

Watch what you are saying Rob.If Sheila commited suicide,she DID shoot herself in the neck first.Ha ,ha.

Yes but a killer would definitely not Snow, it just shows how hopeless JB's defence was!

[snow66!]

The first shot was very accurate & damaging. It was a fatal shot but not instantly.

Bamber decided to fire a second shot at some point before exiting WHF.

All this was stated in 1986.

You keep saying the first shot was very acurate Adam,and i keep asking ,in what way? What was he aiming at with the first shot,and when you say he was acurate ,what part of the neck did he manage to hit.Please enlighten us Adam.

[Adam]

The COA says the non instantly fatal shot was fired first -

'The lower of the two injuries must have been the first since it had led to haemorrhaging inside the neck and this would not have occurred to the same extent if the other wound, which would have been immediately fatal, had preceded it.'

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Bamber fired the instantly fatal second shot shortly after the first. After seeing Sheila was still breathing.

[Adam]

'The lower of the two injuries must have been the first since it had led to haemorrhaging inside the neck.'

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This suggests there was a gap of probably over 1 minute between the shots. Which gave the neck time to haemorrage.

[snow66!]

'The lower of the two injuries must have been the first since it had led to haemorrhaging inside the neck.'

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This suggests there was a gap of probably over 1 minute between the shots. Which gave the neck time to haemorrage.

Thankyou for that information Adam,although it dosent answer what he was aiming at with the first shot.Anyway,that minute between shots would also be about right for,Sheila to slip down,realize she was still alive ,shove the barrel of the rifle under her chin,and fire the fatal shot.

[Adam]

Thankyou for that information Adam,although it dosent answer what he was aiming at with the first shot.Anyway,that minute between shots would also be about right for,Sheila to slip down,realize she was still alive ,shove the barrel of the rifle under her chin,and fire the fatal shot.

He was aiming for an instantly fatal shot.

He had achieved the 'fatal' bit. But it was not instant.  He decided to fire again.