A potential Scenario?

[Bubo bubo]

COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?

The following is a scenario which attempts to answer some of the inconsistencies and unresolved issues surrounding the case.

Synchronisation.

It should be borne in mind that as well as people’s inability to accurately recall things they have seen 100% every time, the same can be said for their recollection of the time. Differences can also occur due to synchronisation differences. If person A says a time of 10.00am and the time is really 10.05. They have given an honest answer but are wrong even though they have checked their watch. If Peron B checks their watch and it is 09.55. that too is wrong. For these reasons it is unwise to try and be very precise as to when events actually happened and this should be remembered when analysing a case.

Events

At the Newbattle Tool Hire the ‘boys’ are chased off the premises and proceed to RDP. At or near the ‘v’ they spot JJ’s body. She may be unconscious or dead. She may even have passed while they were there. What do they do. They may have been in possession of a large amount of ’dope’ and not wearing helmets. They park the bike and discuss what to do.
 
It appears that the only visible wound is to the back of the head were it has been crushed against the wall. If they call the police at the very least, they may be charged with dealing and not wearing helmets. They would be in a fair amount of trouble dependant on the volume they were carrying and more serious issues would surely emerge. Given the likely TOD they may not be believed that they merely found the body. They could be charged with attacking her or causing her to fall backwards into the wall by recklessly driving on the footpath. Manslaughter charges might follow.

They surmise that the best course of action is to leave the path as quickly as possible and work on creating an alibi for where they were. They would let someone else stumble on the body and call the police. There was no sign of an assailant and no obvious weapon lying around.

At the Easthouses end around 17.00 JJ enters the RDP followed by a ‘stocky’ man. At a point near the ‘V’ he attacks her driving her back into the wall and bangs her head against it causing her to collapse.
He is alerted by a noisy motorbike getting closer to him. He goes through the ‘v’ and hides out of sight.
He hears the ‘boys’ conversation. They leave and he moves the body over the wall where he ‘does his rituals’. He changes out of his bloody clothes and continues his journey.

It has worked out quite well for him. He could say if investigated, that he had seen the boys disappearing on the bike and that was all he knew or saw. There was no body.

The ‘boys’ would be watching the news and deciding what to do. Once they knew that JJ’s body had been moved they would be in the clear. They only had to account for what they were doing and where.

If something like this happened, it would explain the rather bizarre behaviour of Ferris and Dickie. They would certainly not want to be identified if they had been seen, hence the haircut. Eventually they come forward.

It should be remembered that if they touched the body they might leave DNA so it is unlikely that they would do so.

Further when Luke is charged 10 months later they assume it was him that had done the deed in the manner I have described.

[Steve_uk]

I thought the perpetrator stayed some time with the body, given the level of mutilation. I don't quite see how the moped boys could have observed the corpse from the path.

[Bubo bubo]

I thought the perpetrator stayed some time with the body, given the level of mutilation. I don't quite see how the moped boys could have observed the corpse from the path.

Read what I have said. He moved the body over the 'V' after they left and that is when he went about his business.

[Steve_uk]

Read what I have said. He moved the body over the 'V' after they left and that is when he went about his business.

But how do they see Jodie's body in the first place?

[Steve_uk]

But how do they see Jodie's body in the first place?

This is the hole in the wall, unless it has changed since 2003. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-luke-mitchell-documentary-turns-23629614

[Bubo bubo]

But how do they see Jodie's body in the first place?

It was on the path at that time. The perpetrator went though the wall and hid because he heard them coming.

[Davie2]

The following is a scenario which attempts to answer some of the inconsistencies and unresolved issues surrounding the case.

You should write a novel on your theories, then spend the next 15 years spamming forums, directing people to your novel as a source, jobs a gid en. 

[Bubo bubo]

You should write a novel on your theories, then spend the next 15 years spamming forums, directing people to your novel as a source, jobs a gid en.

This is the second time you have raised this sort of question both times have been off topic. You asked me to start a new thread when I responded to your first off topic post. Start a new thread something like 'Crazy ideas for dummies'. How not to close your mind on the Luke Mitchel case.

[Davie2]

This is the second time you have raised this sort of question both times have been off topic. You asked me to start a new thread when I responded to your first off topic post. Start a new thread something like 'Crazy ideas for dummies'. How not to close your mind on the Luke Mitchel case.

Is it just the second? Jeez, I must be losing my touch. If you ever come up with something remotely interesting, then I may spend a few moments ripping these far-fetched theories apart. But the stuff you have been typing of late, these fairy tales will get the contempt it deserves.

[Bubo bubo]

Let us for one moment forget the closed mind cynicism of some posters and consider what other issues might stem from my idea that Ferris and Dickie saw the body and skid addled.

They could not tell the family what they had seen if only for self protection. For all they knew she could have been alive and subsequently saved if early medical attention was forthcoming. Once they knew that someone else was involved and had moved the body after they left, they still could not talk about it.

This presented a further potential problem. If the real killer was caught and had heard and maybe seen their actions, (A real possibility existed that he was still around, waiting to move the body) he could finger them as the real culprits and even if it was an open and shut case against him because of DNA findings, he could still tell of their part in the tragedy. He could even claim that she was not dead when they left. the 'boys' would be dragged in and charged with any number of offences.

From their perspective they needed a fall guy.

[Davie2]

Let us for one moment forget the closed mind cynicism of some posters and consider what other issues might stem from my idea that Ferris and Dickie saw the body and skid addled.

They could not tell the family what they had seen if only for self protection. For all they knew she could have been alive and subsequently saved if early medical attention was forthcoming. Once they knew that someone else was involved and had moved the body after they left, they still could not talk about it.

This presented a further potential problem. If the real killer was caught and had heard and maybe seen their actions, (A real possibility existed that he was still around, waiting to move the body) he could finger them as the real culprits and even if it was an open and shut case against him because of DNA findings, he could still tell of their part in the tragedy. He could even claim that she was not dead when they left. the 'boys' would be dragged in and charged with any number of offences.

From their perspective they needed a fall guy.

What?

Anyway, are you deleting threads? You started a thread an hour ago, but it's gone now, although i forgot what it was about, i do remember it caught my attention and was possibly worthy of a de-bunking. Anyway, its gone now, so matters not. Keep up the good work old chap. You just never know.

[Bubo bubo]

What?

Anyway, are you deleting threads? You started a thread an hour ago, but it's gone now, although i forgot what it was about, i do remember it caught my attention and was possibly worthy of a de-bunking. Anyway, its gone now, so matters not. Keep up the good work old chap. You just never know.

Thanks for pointing that out I will contact the moderator. Not my action I can assure you.

Have reposted it. Thanks.

[Fairplay1]

COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?

The following is a scenario which attempts to answer some of the inconsistencies and unresolved issues surrounding the case.

Synchronisation.

It should be borne in mind that as well as people’s inability to accurately recall things they have seen 100% every time, the same can be said for their recollection of the time. Differences can also occur due to synchronisation differences. If person A says a time of 10.00am and the time is really 10.05. They have given an honest answer but are wrong even though they have checked their watch. If Peron B checks their watch and it is 09.55. that too is wrong. For these reasons it is unwise to try and be very precise as to when events actually happened and this should be remembered when analysing a case.

Events

At the Newbattle Tool Hire the ‘boys’ are chased off the premises and proceed to RDP. At or near the ‘v’ they spot JJ’s body. She may be unconscious or dead. She may even have passed while they were there. What do they do. They may have been in possession of a large amount of ’dope’ and not wearing helmets. They park the bike and discuss what to do.
 
It appears that the only visible wound is to the back of the head were it has been crushed against the wall. If they call the police at the very least, they may be charged with dealing and not wearing helmets. They would be in a fair amount of trouble dependant on the volume they were carrying and more serious issues would surely emerge. Given the likely TOD they may not be believed that they merely found the body. They could be charged with attacking her or causing her to fall backwards into the wall by recklessly driving on the footpath. Manslaughter charges might follow.

They surmise that the best course of action is to leave the path as quickly as possible and work on creating an alibi for where they were. They would let someone else stumble on the body and call the police. There was no sign of an assailant and no obvious weapon lying around.

At the Easthouses end around 17.00 JJ enters the RDP followed by a ‘stocky’ man. At a point near the ‘V’ he attacks her driving her back into the wall and bangs her head against it causing her to collapse.
He is alerted by a noisy motorbike getting closer to him. He goes through the ‘v’ and hides out of sight.
He hears the ‘boys’ conversation. They leave and he moves the body over the wall where he ‘does his rituals’. He changes out of his bloody clothes and continues his journey.

It has worked out quite well for him. He could say if investigated, that he had seen the boys disappearing on the bike and that was all he knew or saw. There was no body.

The ‘boys’ would be watching the news and deciding what to do. Once they knew that JJ’s body had been moved they would be in the clear. They only had to account for what they were doing and where.

If something like this happened, it would explain the rather bizarre behaviour of Ferris and Dickie. They would certainly not want to be identified if they had been seen, hence the haircut. Eventually they come forward.

It should be remembered that if they touched the body they might leave DNA so it is unlikely that they would do so.

Further when Luke is charged 10 months later they assume it was him that had done the deed in the manner I have described.

A very good possibility you have something that could be the reason they did not come forward. However I think it is also possible they witnessed something or someone and have feared the repercussions of having this information and being believed possablility. I also find it a rather big leap to believe they did not come forward because of fear of being pinned with the crime because simply Jodi was one of their own from the same family tree , Morals should kick in with that factor alone but it didn't their evidence and their memory loss is beyond doubt suspicious. I don't know if they had anything to do with Jodi murder but I find it very hard to dismiss all the evidence relating to them.  I agree with most of your synopsis but I am not sure they are being honest with regards to what the seen , and their reasons for not coming forward I have red flags all over the place with these 2  , but again I tend to feel that a seriously inept investigation of this crime has a lot to blame for my suspicions ??