The drop / pendant earring...

[Adam]

As said, Crispy barking downstairs won't wake anyone upstairs. It was a very big house.

[Rob_]

If he did, it would be by letting Crispy know it was someone Crispy knew.

That would make no difference, most dog fights in the park are caused by the owners.

[Adam]

That would make no difference, most dog fights in the park are caused by the owners.

Have to disagree with that.

Anyway, the evidence is no one reacted prior to receiving their first shots from Bamber.

So Crispy either -

Didn't wake.

Woke but didn't bark.

Barked long/short term but did not wake anyone.

[Jane]

Dogs do have very good hearing as Rob says.Anyone who has ever owned one will confirm that they start barking and alert you that someone is approaching your property long before they knock on the door.

They do, indeed, Snow. Their hearing outstrips that of humans. However, their reading doesn't, so they'd be unlikely to read any signs which may have said "Private Property". Wild animals of all types, local to the area, would probably have taken advantage of a farm-yard devoid of humans. My point is this; has Crispy barked, as has been frequently suggested, at fresh air, the chances are high that he'd have barked, on and off, all night.

[Rob_]

They do, indeed, Snow. Their hearing outstrips that of humans. However, their reading doesn't, so they'd be unlikely to read any signs which may have said "Private Property". Wild animals of all types, local to the area, would probably have taken advantage of a farm-yard devoid of humans. My point is this; has Crispy barked, as has been frequently suggested, at fresh air, the chances are high that he'd have barked, on and off, all night.

I think most dogs would bark at someone clambering through a window in the middle of the night Jane, plus their body scent would tell the dog it was not a social visit in this case.

Dogs are amazing, they pick up the tiniest body language signals, one story that interested me was a lady had decided to go to the kitchen and kill herself with a overdose of tablets. Her dog stood in the doorway and refused to let her through.

[snow66!]

The Crispy scenario is a bit complicated.Let us look at his normal night time routine.Apparently he slept in the kitchen either in his basket or on a chair.After the massacre he was understandably distressed and ended up in the master bedroom under the bed.There dosen't seem to be any photos of Crispies basket in the crime scene photos until some days later when it appears beside the Aga.It may have been obscured by Nevills body in the kitchen,after the massacre,but if this was the case it must surely have been heavily bloodied and taken as an item of evidence.Was it? I have no idea,maybe some of the Hero members may know.If the basket was not in its usual place beside the Aga that night,where was it? Has anyone spotted it in the master bedroom? It had to be somewhere that night,but as always with this case ,the withholding of the crime scene photos means we cant simply look at pictures of each room and pin point it.However,as i have said,the basket does re-appear once the crime scene has been tidied up,so who put it back beside the Aga and why? By this time Crispy had been moved to Jeremys cottage.Why wasnt the basket moved with him ,especially if it was of no evidential value.Only the relatives and JB knew where the basket should be,or possibly the police if it was found beside the Aga that morning.But again ,if it was found in the kitchen surely it must have been bloodied and an item of evidence.It does not look bloodied in the photos,and seems to be undamaged,so is it reasonable to assume  that for some reason Crispy slept somewhere else that night? So as far as i can see,we have no way of knowing where Crispy was sleeping that night unless the withheld photos are released to show the location of the basket.End of ramble for now.

[Rob_]

Thanks Snow that was interesting not a ramble, I am sure Adam can help here as he is often saying nothing is withheld 

[Adam]

The Crispy scenario is a bit complicated.Let us look at his normal night time routine.Apparently he slept in the kitchen either in his basket or on a chair.After the massacre he was understandably distressed and ended up in the master bedroom under the bed.There dosen't seem to be any photos of Crispies basket in the crime scene photos until some days later when it appears beside the Aga.It may have been obscured by Nevills body in the kitchen,after the massacre,but if this was the case it must surely have been heavily bloodied and taken as an item of evidence.Was it? I have no idea,maybe some of the Hero members may know.If the basket was not in its usual place beside the Aga that night,where was it? Has anyone spotted it in the master bedroom? It had to be somewhere that night,but as always with this case ,the withholding of the crime scene photos means we cant simply look at pictures of each room and pin point it.However,as i have said,the basket does re-appear once the crime scene has been tidied up,so who put it back beside the Aga and why? By this time Crispy had been moved to Jeremys cottage.Why wasnt the basket moved with him ,especially if it was of no evidential value.Only the relatives and JB knew where the basket should be,or possibly the police if it was found beside the Aga that morning.But again ,if it was found in the kitchen surely it must have been bloodied and an item of evidence.It does not look bloodied in the photos,and seems to be undamaged,so is it reasonable to assume  that for some reason Crispy slept somewhere else that night? So as far as i can see,we have no way of knowing where Crispy was sleeping that night unless the withheld photos are released to show the location of the basket.End of ramble for now.

You were the one yesterday quoting extracts saying Crispy slept in a basket by the aga.

I backed you up with photo evidence.

Make up your mind.

[Adam]

If Crispy slept in a basket in the main bedroom. There would be no barking prior to Bamber opening fire on a sleeping June.

[snow66!]

They do, indeed, Snow. Their hearing outstrips that of humans. However, their reading doesn't, so they'd be unlikely to read any signs which may have said "Private Property". Wild animals of all types, local to the area, would probably have taken advantage of a farm-yard devoid of humans. My point is this; has Crispy barked, as has been frequently suggested, at fresh air, the chances are high that he'd have barked, on and off, all night.

Hiya Jane,how are you,so good to hear from you.Yes all that you say makes sense,as does what Rob says in reply.No one knows how much Crispy barked through the night normally or if anyone in the house took any notice.Crispy would have to do something out of the ordinary to get anyones attention.So whether Crispy alerted anyone that night is very hard to say.I am more interested in his basket at the moment.

[snow66!]

If Crispy slept in a basket in the main bedroom. There would be no barking prior to Bamber opening fire on a sleeping June.

I do not agree with that Adam,as soon as the killer opened fire on the twins Crispy would go mad.Have you not been listening to Rob about how sensitive a dogs ears are.And as for Crispy sleeping in the kitchen,if you read what i have said about the basket and lack of crime scene photos of it,it is hard to be sure where he slept that night.

[Adam]

I don't know why Crispy would sleep in the bedroom.

A single person may want their cat or dog sleeping on their bed with them. But can't see two people wanting that.

Giving Crispy a basket in the kitchen means he can wander around during the night if he wants to.

[Adam]

I do not agree with that Adam,as soon as the killer opened fire on the twins Crispy would go mad.Have you not been listening to Rob about how sensitive a dogs ears are.And as for Crispy sleeping in the kitchen,if you read what i have said about the basket and lack of crime scene photos of it,it is hard to be sure where he slept that night.

How would Crispy hear Bamber shooting the twins. The rifle was silent with a silencer attached?

That is if Bamber shot the twins first.

[snow66!]

I don't know why Crispy would sleep in the bedroom.

A single person may want their cat or dog sleeping on their bed with them. But can't see two people wanting that.

Giving Crispy a basket in the kitchen means he can wander around during the night if he wants to.

Yes,it is more than likely Crispy slept in his usual place beside the aga that night,but no conclusive evidence till the police hand over the remaining crime scene photos.

[snow66!]

How would Crispy hear Bamber shooting the twins. The rifle was silent with a silencer attached?

That is if Bamber shot the twins first.

That is,if a silencer was attached Adam and if JB was the killer.