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Offline Adam

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #495 on: May 10, 2022, 04:06:PM »
As far as Crispy being a big enough deterrent to Bamber to stop him attempting the massacre, this is very unlikely - 

Crispy was not a guard dog.

Crispy may not have woken in the kitchen.

Crispy may have woken but not barked.

Crispy may have barked briefly before recognising Bamber.

It would be unlikely anyone awake upstairs behind closed doors would be able to hear Crispy bark.

There is no guarantee anyone upstairs would bother reacting to hearing a dog bark.

It would be impossible for Crispy's bark to wake people who are upstairs and asleep behind closed doors. 
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« Reply #496 on: May 10, 2022, 04:09:PM »
The evidence is no one woke prior to receiving their first upstairs shots from Bamber.

So Crispy either did not bark, or barked but did not wake anyone.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #497 on: May 10, 2022, 05:56:PM »
Can anybody see a phone under this stack of magazines?
Hard to say Dave,nothing obvious.Is that the pile where the phone was allegedly found?

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #498 on: May 10, 2022, 06:29:PM »
For supporters it would probably be better if Crispy slept in the main bedroom.

Barking continuously in the main bedroom would at least wake Nevill & June.

Crispy would of course need super dog hearing powers to hear through thick doors & walls.

Well if Bews and co could hear Crispy whining through thick walls from 30 yards on the outside, Crispy would have no trouble hearing someone approaching the house Adam.

Have you forgotten that dogs have much better hearing the humans?



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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #499 on: May 10, 2022, 06:33:PM »
As far as Crispy being a big enough deterrent to Bamber to stop him attempting the massacre, this is very unlikely - 

Crispy was not a guard dog.

Crispy may not have woken in the kitchen.

Crispy may have woken but not barked.

Crispy may have barked briefly before recognising Bamber.

It would be unlikely anyone awake upstairs behind closed doors would be able to hear Crispy bark.

There is no guarantee anyone upstairs would bother reacting to hearing a dog bark.

It would be impossible for Crispy's bark to wake people who are upstairs and asleep behind closed doors.

Speak to a burglar Adam, the biggest deterrent is a dog, it does not have to be a guard dog as all dogs can bark  ;)

Hint it's the noise they make.



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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #500 on: May 10, 2022, 06:53:PM »
Speak to a burglar Adam, the biggest deterrent is a dog, it does not have to be a guard dog as all dogs can bark  ;)

Hint it's the noise they make.

You didn't address any of my 7 points.

Crispy was not a guard dog & Bamber was not a burglar to him.
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« Reply #501 on: May 10, 2022, 06:57:PM »
As said, Bamber's first shots into each victim was without resistance -

June - 5 times in bed.

Nevill - Twice in the face from inches away.

Daniel - shot in bed.

Nicholas - shot in bed.

Sheila - shot under the chin.

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This confirms Crispy did not wake anyone.

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« Reply #502 on: May 10, 2022, 07:08:PM »
Dogs do have very good hearing as Rob says.Anyone who has ever owned one will confirm that they start barking and alert you that someone is approaching your property long before they knock on the door.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #503 on: May 10, 2022, 07:09:PM »
You didn't address any of my 7 points.

Crispy was not a guard dog & Bamber was not a burglar to him.

When I was very young a friend had a tiny dog, when I went round to their house I would go via the back gate and despite knowing me very well the little dog would jump onto the window sill and bark the house down as soon as I went through the gate approx 40 yards away.

As for addressing your 7 points, do they need addressing?

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #504 on: May 10, 2022, 07:12:PM »
As far as Crispy being a big enough deterrent to Bamber to stop him attempting the massacre, this is very unlikely - 

Crispy was not a guard dog.

Crispy may not have woken in the kitchen.

Crispy may have woken but not barked.

Crispy may have barked briefly before recognising Bamber.

It would be unlikely anyone awake upstairs behind closed doors would be able to hear Crispy bark.

There is no guarantee anyone upstairs would bother reacting to hearing a dog bark.

It would be impossible for Crispy's bark to wake people who are upstairs and asleep behind closed doors.

Well I will address 1 of your points Adam, Crispy would have detected the fear in JB and his evil intentions, and probably fled upstairs barking.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #505 on: May 10, 2022, 07:30:PM »
As said, Bamber's first shots into each victim was without resistance -

June - 5 times in bed.

Nevill - Twice in the face from inches away.

Daniel - shot in bed.

Nicholas - shot in bed.

Sheila - shot under the chin.

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This confirms Crispy did not wake anyone.

Because nobody clambered in through the window, otherwise Crispy would have done.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #506 on: May 10, 2022, 07:32:PM »
Dogs do have very good hearing as Rob says.Anyone who has ever owned one will confirm that they start barking and alert you that someone is approaching your property long before they knock on the door.

Well if Crispy did wake from Bamber's bathroom window entrance, the evidence is any long/short term barking did not wake anyone upstairs prior to Bamber opening fire.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #507 on: May 10, 2022, 07:35:PM »
Well if Crispy did wake from Bamber's bathroom window entrance, the evidence is any long/short term barking did not wake anyone upstairs prior to Bamber opening fire.

Bamber would have had to nullify Crispy somehow before he committed the crime, he could not take the risk.

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« Reply #508 on: May 10, 2022, 07:37:PM »
Crispy would be used to people constantly walking around WHF. Including at night.

At the time their were 5 people staying at WHF. Snow66! suggested Nevill had bladder problems & had to keep getting up at night.

Doubt that Crispy would bark whenever he saw someone. Dogs need sleep as well.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #509 on: May 10, 2022, 07:39:PM »
Bamber would have had to nullify Crispy somehow before he committed the crime, he could not take the risk.

If he did, it would be by letting Crispy know it was someone Crispy knew.
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