The drop / pendant earring...

[Steve_uk]

I cannot see a phone under the magazines in the crime scene photos. It's another oddity that seems to have shown up after Ann Eaton had access to the house. It wouldn't surprise me if that phone was actually in the upstairs office hence some negatives of the office photos have been destroyed.

Well if it was hidden by Bamber you wouldn't, would you?

[Steve_uk]

The "bedroom" phone was already in Kitchen before the shooting. Nevill put it there after the cordless phone in the kitchen was taken away for repairs.

Don't let Adam and Steve lead you on with thier bullshit.

Supposition David, and where was the fawn-coloured telephone during this period? Maybe Nevill decided to carry it around with him due to suffering from withdrawal symptoms from losing his pet gadget.

[snow66!]

Do you?

Kindly provide the link. Where Crispy usually slept would be very interesting.

Good evening Adam.I have found two quotes in CALs book,so i presume this must be where i read about Crispy.The first quote is in the prologue page 6-----Crispy,an irascible shih-tzu known as 'the pest',got under everyone's feet until he was shooed into his basket beside the Aga.    Second quote,page 158----David Boutflour described his uncle Nevill as'not a particularly late night person'with a fairly set routine,Each evening he would walk both dogs,Crispy and Bruce,around the front lawn before bed.Afterwards,Bruce would be settled in the barn on the far side of the kitchen yard while Crispy curled up for the night in his basket by the Aga or on a chair next to it.Both dogs were habitually alert to intruders.Crispy was variously described as 'very noisy','lively and always nipping at peoples ankles' with a 'high pitched'yappy bark'that he used to good effect on callers.Bruce would also bark when anyone approached the house.----------So there you have it Adam,it dosen't look as if an intruder could have approached the farm and then the house without alerting at least one of the dogs,or both.Does it?

[Adam]

Good evening Adam.I have found two quotes in CALs book,so i presume this must be where i read about Crispy.The first quote is in the prologue page 6-----Crispy,an irascible shih-tzu known as 'the pest',got under everyone's feet until he was shooed into his basket beside the Aga.    Second quote,page 158----David Boutflour described his uncle Nevill as'not a particularly late night person'with a fairly set routine,Each evening he would walk both dogs,Crispy and Bruce,around the front lawn before bed.Afterwards,Bruce would be settled in the barn on the far side of the kitchen yard while Crispy curled up for the night in his basket by the Aga or on a chair next to it.Both dogs were habitually alert to intruders.Crispy was variously described as 'very noisy','lively and always nipping at peoples ankles' with a 'high pitched'yappy bark'that he used to good effect on callers.Bruce would also bark when anyone approached the house.----------So there you have it Adam,it dosen't look as if an intruder could have approached the farm and then the house without alerting at least one of the dogs,or both.Does it?

Thanks. That is interesting.

You will have to amend your second Sheila scenario. As you had Crispy barking in the bedroom & waking Nevill after Sheila screams in the twins room.

Crispy perhaps barking downstairs wouldn't wake Nevill & June. They were upstairs in a big house. Asleep behind thick doors & walls.

The evidence shows they were shot in/by the bed.

Not sure Crispy would bark. Not a guard dog & would have recognised Bamber.

[Adam]

For supporters it would probably be better if Crispy slept in the main bedroom.

Barking continuously in the main bedroom would at least wake Nevill & June.

Crispy would of course need super dog hearing powers to hear through thick doors & walls.

[Adam]

Crispy is a no win situation for supporters.

If in the kitchen, no one upstairs would hear him bark.

If in the bedroom, Crispy would not hear a silent entrance.

Either way, he was not a guard dog so no guarantee he would bark.

[Adam]

Looking at the photos there is certainly a basket by the aga.

A small one but Crispy was a small dog.

[snow66!]

Looking at the photos there is certainly a basket by the aga.

A small one but Crispy was a small dog.

I did not notice that Adam,i will take a look.

[Adam]

As far as the other dog goes, thought he was on the other side of WHF from where the bathroom window was.

[Adam]

I did not notice that Adam,i will take a look.

On page 1. More than one photo.

[snow66!]

On page 1. More than one photo.

Ok,seen them Adam,but notice they are only in the photos after the kitchen has been tidied up,and in the same location as Nevill had his head in the scuttle.If that was the usual place for the basket it is a wonder it didnt get any blood on it.It would be interesting to know where the basket was found after the massacre and if it was an item of evidence,would it not?

[snow66!]

As far as the other dog goes, thought he was on the other side of WHF from where the bathroom window was.

I am not sure about this,someone else will have to answer that.If you look at the farm layout it may be possible to locate the barn.

[snow66!]

As far as the other dog goes, thought he was on the other side of WHF from where the bathroom window was.

Hi Adam.Yes having studied the farm layout,i would say the down stairs shower window looked out to the garden away from any farm buildings.

[David1819]

Can anybody see a phone under this stack of magazines?

[Adam]

Can anybody see a phone under this stack of magazines?

67.

The telephone that had been found with the receiver off its cradle in the kitchen was in fact the bedroom telephone, which had been moved downstairs.

The kitchen telephone had been hidden amongst a pile of magazines in the kitchen.

The office telephone was in its normal place.