The drop / pendant earring...

[killingeve]

Again an over simplification.

Supporters who work in 'echo chambers' are more prone to their unconscious bias leading them to interpret what they want to see from ambiguous evidence.

Not all supporters fit in to the above category but may at times stray in to it.

Some supporters have completely different theories.

Your blanket opinion and dismissal that all supporter claims are fictitious is in part caused by your own rigid stance, which is based upon some evidence from 1985. 

It's you that chooses not to be more open minded. But you should understand that your choice to be closed minded can have absolutely no impact on the actual evidence itself.

Well if I am who you say I am I spent some considerable time batting for the other side among hardcore guilters and defended my corner when the situation arose.  No need for me to defend much of what Bamber and his support people put out as it doesn't stand up.  Maybe you and others here need a secondment?  The words 'echo chamber' might have been invented for Bamber's support group and some here. 

If you look at other miscarriages of justice they follow similar patterns.  No case has involved multiple conspiracies which is what Bamber's support group argue. 

[lookout]

On the contrary, it's always been the guilters who've shouted the loudest ? Why's that when the man's in prison anyway ?

[lookout]

Surely, guilters have got their way ? What more do you want ?

[Roch]

Well if I am who you say I am I spent some considerable time batting for the other side among hardcore guilters and defended my corner when the situation arose.  No need for me to defend much of what Bamber and his support people put out as it doesn't stand up.  Maybe you and others here need a secondment?  The words 'echo chamber' might have been invented for Bamber's support group and some here. 

If you look at other miscarriages of justice they follow similar patterns.  No case has involved multiple conspiracies which is what Bamber's support group argue.

I appreciate your candour here.  Regarding the multiple conspiracies. I think this is closer to what happened:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8513.msg404906.html#msg404906

You seem to have an unshakable belief that our systems relating to police, justice, pathology, forensics, enquiries are all able to run completely independently, and in a manner which ensures no wrongdoing could occur. Personally I think that is naive.

[Bubo bubo]

Well if I am who you say I am I spent some considerable time batting for the other side among hardcore guilters and defended my corner when the situation arose.  No need for me to defend much of what Bamber and his support people put out as it doesn't stand up.  Maybe you and others here need a secondment?  The words 'echo chamber' might have been invented for Bamber's support group and some here. 

If you look at other miscarriages of justice they follow similar patterns.  No case has involved multiple conspiracies which is what Bamber's support group argue.

There always has to be a first time. The reason in this case  might be that in most MOJ's there is some reason other than an outright framing. I stands to reason that if this is the case and the EP have been thorough in their endeavours there are likely to be only some small issues to be found where it is clear that evidence has been manipulated to obtain the conviction, whilst the bulk of the evidence shows guilt. Those who believe in innocence can only point to issues which support this side of the argument.

[killingeve]

I appreciate your candour here.  Regarding the multiple conspiracies. I think this is closer to what happened:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8513.msg404906.html#msg404906

You seem to have an unshakable belief that our systems relating to police, justice, pathology, forensics, enquiries are all able to run completely independently, and in a manner which ensures no wrongdoing could occur. Personally I think that is naive.

I've stated this morning that miscarriages do occur.  Are you able to cite a case where multiple participants conspired to pervert the course of justice?  If you're unable to do so what makes you so sure Bamber's case has set a precedent? 

[Bubo bubo]

I've stated this morning that miscarriages do occur.  Are you able to cite a case where multiple participants conspired to pervert the course of justice?  If you're unable to do so what makes you so sure Bamber's case has set a precedent?

This case has many unique elements. The fact that we had a secured property and we are relying entirely on the police to give a truthful account of what happened when they entered the building is a major part.
A 'jilted lover'. The fact that it took the police a month to uncover JB's cunning plans, etc. A family which pointed the finger at JB in the first week when they stood to gain financially from a conviction and for all that the only evidence against JB is circumstantial. A review of the case by Keneally saying SC was the perpetrator.
Given the totality of the behaviour of EP particularly on the issues of disclosure of both documents and photos I say this strongly suggests they may have something to hide. Other wise why all this time and effort over 36+ years trying to keep a local farmers son in prison. If they blame JB for all this then the easy answer to be rid of him is to give him the information he seeks.

[snow66!]

Has the mark beside Sheilas right hand/wrist,on her nightdress been discussed before.It seems to resemble the shape of a bullet.You can see it on page 2 of the crime scene photos.MS,10,11,21,22,23,31 and 34.

[Roch]

Has the mark beside Sheilas right hand/wrist,on her nightdress been discussed before.It seems to resemble the shape of a bullet.You can see it on page 2 of the crime scene photos.MS,10,11,21,22,23,31 and 34.

Peter Vanezis said it was smearing from her wrist. Doesn't look like it to me.

[Bill Robertson]

Has the mark beside Sheilas right hand/wrist,on her nightdress been discussed before.It seems to resemble the shape of a bullet.You can see it on page 2 of the crime scene photos.MS,10,11,21,22,23,31 and 34.

In higher definition photos it can be seen as oval or egg shaped, approximately 25mm wide and maybe 40-50mm long. It has the appearance of a smear of blood.

[snow66!]

In higher definition photos it can be seen as oval or egg shaped, approximately 25mm wide and maybe 40-50mm long. It has the appearance of a smear of blood.

Hi Bill,pleased to meet you.So it is just a smear of blood then.

[Bill Robertson]

Hi Bill,pleased to meet you.So it is just a smear of blood then.

Yes I think it is just a smear of blood

[snow66!]

Yes I think it is just a smear of blood

Thanks Bill.

[Roch]

Does anyone know whether it was ever pinpointed, exactly where this image came from and exactly who it depicts?

 

[Bubo bubo]

Does anyone know whether it was ever pinpointed, exactly where this image came from and exactly who it depicts?

I believe it to be SC based on the nose shape and what appear to be two gunshot wounds. I am curios as to what she is lying on. It has a dark background and we only have pictures of her with a light coloured background. It could be a body bag and show her condition on arrival at the mortuary. It could also be some form of blanket. Other posters may have other views.