What's in a gesture

[Bubo bubo]

The pose adopted by the male in the sighting on the entrance to the path is described as hands out wide, slightly down with palms forward. Could this have been an attempt to block the path? He did not want the female to enter the pathway might be a potential interpretation.

[nugnug]

possbly hat sightng are we talking about.

[Bubo bubo]

possbly hat sightng are we talking about.

AB while driving.

[Germane]

Definitely not blocking her entrance to the path. The male’s hand movements, imo, suggest there was a heated conversation taking place. Now, we know LM and JODJ weren’t talking to one another that day at school (they had their backs to one another in the China Gardens, J was also said to have been spotted in class with her face  buried in a desk with her arms over her head, clearly upset, and also one of j’s closest friends at the time noted j was more quieter than normal that day ... cite provided below). So, something was clearly amiss with the young couple that day. And we all know that LM was due, or had been due, to visit Kimberley Thomson in Kenmure round about that time. Perhaps J found out about this on that fateful Monday? And we know for sure that LM was still in regular contact with KT. In fact, this girl was under the impression that she was LM’s girlfriend (cite provided below). So, there was clearly something going on that day and something that was needing resolved. This was also, coincidentally, the day that jUDJ decided she would completely lift Jodj’s curfew (part of Jodj’s punishment for skipping school and smoking cannabis was that she had to do some household chores up until 1800 hrs). So, J arrives home from school on the Mon at 4pm and finds out her curfew has been lifted completely and she’s free to do as she pleases, and doesn’t have to wait until 6pm to go out like she had to over the past few weeks. The first thing she did was text Lm at 1634 (using her mother’s phone as hers was broke). L & J then exchanged a series of text messages, arranging to meet up that evening (though the text messages between them were never retrieved). What happened next has been contested for nearly 20 years, but here’s my theory:

after the last text exchange @ 1638, I think LM dropped everything he was doing and went straight to meet Jodi. I think they arranged to meet at 1700 rather than their normal time of 1800 because J’s curfew had suddenly been lifted. Afterall, they had been arguing earlier and school and this is something I suspect needed resolved; also, this couple were inseparable by this point and spent most nights together (j had diarised that she loved lm). This is why LM had phoned the speaking clock at 1654 ... making sure he wasn’t late for their 5pm meeting (it was established in court that LM phoned the speaking clock regularly and was most often out of the house when he done so). Even walking briskly to easthouses via rdp from his house, it was established, would only take him 15 mins, so that ties in nicely with the AB sighting. It was even suggested that LM might have cycled to meet her (lm sometimes cycled to school and it was mentioned that a bike very similar to his was seen at railings at nbattle school). Anyway, they met up, walked down the path smoking a joint (hence why it was reported that j had fresh marijuana in her system that day when they did the autopsy), were still arguing like they had been in school earlier that day, it became heated, lm snapped and murdered j behind that wall in a rage and cannabis-induced psychotic episode.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1

[nugnug]

i have suspionion the a sigting dident really happen.

[Bubo bubo]

Definitely not blocking her entrance to the path. The male’s hand movements, imo, suggest there was a heated conversation taking place. Now, we know LM and JODJ weren’t talking to one another that day at school (they had their backs to one another in the China Gardens, J was also said to have been spotted in class with her face  buried in a desk with her arms over her head, clearly upset, and also one of j’s closest friends at the time noted j was more quieter than normal that day ... cite provided below). So, something was clearly amiss with the young couple that day. And we all know that LM was due, or had been due, to visit Kimberley Thomson in Kenmure round about that time. Perhaps J found out about this on that fateful Monday? And we know for sure that LM was still in regular contact with KT. In fact, this girl was under the impression that she was LM’s girlfriend (cite provided below). So, there was clearly something going on that day and something that was needing resolved. This was also, coincidentally, the day that jUDJ decided she would completely lift Jodj’s curfew (part of Jodj’s punishment for skipping school and smoking cannabis was that she had to do some household chores up until 1800 hrs). So, J arrives home from school on the Mon at 4pm and finds out her curfew has been lifted completely and she’s free to do as she pleases, and doesn’t have to wait until 6pm to go out like she had to over the past few weeks. The first thing she did was text Lm at 1634 (using her mother’s phone as hers was broke). L & J then exchanged a series of text messages, arranging to meet up that evening (though the text messages between them were never retrieved). What happened next has been contested for nearly 20 years, but here’s my theory:

after the last text exchange @ 1638, I think LM dropped everything he was doing and went straight to meet Jodi. I think they arranged to meet at 1700 rather than their normal time of 1800 because J’s curfew had suddenly been lifted. Afterall, they had been arguing earlier and school and this is something I suspect needed resolved; also, this couple were inseparable by this point and spent most nights together (j had diarised that she loved lm). This is why LM had phoned the speaking clock at 1654 ... making sure he wasn’t late for their 5pm meeting (it was established in court that LM phoned the speaking clock regularly and was most often out of the house when he done so). Even walking briskly to easthouses via rdp from his house, it was established, would only take him 15 mins, so that ties in nicely with the AB sighting. It was even suggested that LM might have cycled to meet her (lm sometimes cycled to school and it was mentioned that a bike very similar to his was seen at railings at nbattle school). Anyway, they met up, walked down the path smoking a joint (hence why it was reported that j had fresh marijuana in her system that day when they did the autopsy), were still arguing like they had been in school earlier that day, it became heated, lm snapped and murdered j behind that wall in a rage and cannabis-induced psychotic episode.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1

I have read some poor posts many times but this is up there with the worst. It is clear KT was some form of holiday romance/friendship. They had only met three times in the last year. One could hardly call that dating. My grandchildren often kept in touch with holiday friends even though they were dating others. Some carried on for more than two years. The second teenager KF looks to have sought her 15 minutes of fame. All her evidence is hearsay and inadmissible. This article looks like a hatchet job on LM & CM after Luke was convicted and to me looks like a typical Daily Mail follow up article reinforcing the establishment narrative and introducing fictitious evidence.

As for you second paragraph it falls apart because of one piece of real evidence. Phone calls to and from the Mitchel household were recorded after 17.00 and someone made and answered these calls.

Can I suggest you do not take up Crime writing? Perhaps you should try the Fantasy genre

[David1819]

Can I suggest you do not take up Crime writing? Perhaps you should try the Fantasy genre

Perhaps you should take your own advice? 

[Davie2]

Perhaps you should take your own advice? 

LOL. Exactly what I was thinking, reading back this past few weeks, some of the nonsense that particular poster has been typing, babbling on about serial killers from abroad, picking a secluded spot in Easthouses Scotland to do his deed. What utter nonsense. Iv'e read some far out theories typed over the years by these desperadoe's, this one does not quite reach number 1 spot, but it's up there.

[nugnug]

bryson liame she dientknowjodi no pictures of jodi ha been publishe so how the bloody hell could  she have thought she had seen her.

thats a fake witness.

[Davie2]

Anyway, they met up, walked down the path smoking a joint (hence why it was reported that j had fresh marijuana in her system that day when they did the autopsy), were still arguing like they had been in school earlier that day, it became heated, lm snapped and murdered j behind that wall in a rage and cannabis-induced psychotic episode.

The rest of the post is spot on, I'll pick up on this bit. Jodi had found out she was getting 2/3 timed, that is why they were arguing, during the day. After school, this continues by text, these texts deleted, because Jodi did not want her mother finding out what Luke was upto, Jodi desperate to get ungrounded, so she can go meet Luke and continue to question him about these other girls. She does her chores as instructed, and then she is straight out the door, makes her way to the entrance, Luke is already there waiting, she sees Luke and starts on him again about these girls, this gesture by Luke, the body language the sympathy arms spread "what girls, i love you"  Come on lets go to the woods for a smoke and talk about it. They never walked down the path, they went though the break in the wall at the crossroads with Lady path, though to the field at the opposite side and walked towards the V that way. The rest is history.
Luke came armed and prepared, this was premeditated. He had already displayed his dark mind, in jotters, admitted to his friends, about murdering in the woods while stoned. These fantasies he was having became a reality, this was his opportunity. If he was never caught, he would have killed again. A true narcissist. He got the opportunity to go back to his kill, between 6:15/7:30 that evening. A part of his timeline unaccounted for. It explains the wounds inflicted post-mortem, why he did this, these farther wounds, only his sick mind knows, he was again seen later that evening, walking past a neighbour's house, when his mother claimed he was home, where was going? As soon as he got the phone call to meet with the search team, he was already, prepped and ready to go, and like a whippet, he was up that path in minutes, he could not wait to direct the family to his kill, he had to see their faces, a true narcissist.

[Davie2]

bryson liame she dientknowjodi no pictures of jodi ha been publishe so how the bloody hell could  she have thought she had seen her.

thats a fake witness.

Go onto your extensions on your web browser and download a spellchecker. I have given you this advice before, otherwise you just cannot be taken seriously. The thing that's gets me, your spelling is perfectly readable on other forums, but not here why?

[Bubo bubo]

LOL. Exactly what I was thinking, reading back this past few weeks, some of the nonsense that particular poster has been typing, babbling on about serial killers from abroad, picking a secluded spot in Easthouses Scotland to do his deed. What utter nonsense. Iv'e read some far out theories typed over the years by these desperadoe's, this one does not quite reach number 1 spot, but it's up there.

I thought it would bring out the 'dogs of war'. I just happen to be someone who looks further than the end of his nose. I feel sorry for the people of Easthouses and Newbattle. This tragedy brought horror to their doorstep. However, it would bring shame on them again if the true killer was ever found given where that would put LM. I am not one to just claim innocence on his behalf but seek to explore real alternatives to the prevailing narrative. My theories are not without any possibility. Have you looked at the Charles Sobhraj case? There are probably other cases which might fall into this category but if something similar happens once it does not mean it cannot happen again.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+murderer+go+down&view=detail&mid=ADB1ED2C5DD669722076ADB1ED2C5DD669722076&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dyou%2bmurderer%2bgo%2bdown%26form%3dANNTH1%26refig%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0%26sp%3d2%26qs%3dRI%26pq%3dgo%2bdown%2byou%2bmurderer%26sk%3dPRES1UT1%26sc%3d2-20%26cvid%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0

[Bubo bubo]

I thought it would bring out the 'dogs of war'. I just happen to be someone who looks further than the end of his nose. I feel sorry for the people of Easthouses and Newbattle. This tragedy brought horror to their doorstep. However, it would bring shame on them again if the true killer was ever found given where that would put LM. I am not one to just claim innocence on his behalf but seek to explore real alternatives to the prevailing narrative. My theories are not without any possibility. Have you looked at the Charles Sobhraj case? There are probably other cases which might fall into this category but if something similar happens once it does not mean it cannot happen again.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+murderer+go+down&view=detail&mid=ADB1ED2C5DD669722076ADB1ED2C5DD669722076&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dyou%2bmurderer%2bgo%2bdown%26form%3dANNTH1%26refig%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0%26sp%3d2%26qs%3dRI%26pq%3dgo%2bdown%2byou%2bmurderer%26sk%3dPRES1UT1%26sc%3d2-20%26cvid%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0

This is another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

I am seeking  alternatives where you just make up scenarios which suit your position. Your suggestions are just that, suggestions.

[Bubo bubo]

This is another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

I am seeking  alternatives where you just make up scenarios which suit your position. Your suggestions are just that, suggestions.

Here are a couple more. Andrei Chikatilo, Pedro Alonso Lopez

[Davie2]

I thought it would bring out the 'dogs of war'. I just happen to be someone who looks further than the end of his nose. I feel sorry for the people of Easthouses and Newbattle. This tragedy brought horror to their doorstep. However, it would bring shame on them again if the true killer was ever found given where that would put LM. I am not one to just claim innocence on his behalf but seek to explore real alternatives to the prevailing narrative. My theories are not without any possibility. Have you looked at the Charles Sobhraj case? There are probably other cases which might fall into this category but if something similar happens once it does not mean it cannot happen again.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+murderer+go+down&view=detail&mid=ADB1ED2C5DD669722076ADB1ED2C5DD669722076&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dyou%2bmurderer%2bgo%2bdown%26form%3dANNTH1%26refig%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0%26sp%3d2%26qs%3dRI%26pq%3dgo%2bdown%2byou%2bmurderer%26sk%3dPRES1UT1%26sc%3d2-20%26cvid%3da3a2e6b8cfad4dd2a68228bf281bd8a0

Your far-fetched nonsense is not worth my oxygen.