later time for the murder

[nugnug]

if the murer happene at the time  stated woulent the killer hae been seen by the to youth onthe moped,

now its possble they might be the killers but if there not how ome they ient see the killer or the
victem.


they cliam not tohave seen ethere. if they are telling the truth then oes that point to a later time for the murer.

[Bubo bubo]

if the murer happene at the time  state woulent the killer hae been seen by the to youth onthe moped,

now its possble they might be the killers but if there not how ome they ient see the killer or the
victem.


they cliam not tohave seen ethere. if they are telling the truth then oe that point to a later time for the murer.

If the murder was later what was JJ doing before she was killed. She could have been 'Captured' and gagged and hidden for a short while. We can only speculate. It is possible they met the killer for a drug deal and he/she had her stashed ready for when they left. He/she could have left her in a captive state some where before finishing the deed at leisure. He/she could have used the drug deal as a potential alibi at a later date using it as a reason for their presence on the path. This might be another reason they did not come forward when requested. Of course if they had seen JJ they would have been prime suspects as the last people to see her alive. I do not see them as killers.

Finding the real killer is the only thing I can think of that might free him. I stand to be corrected.

[nugnug]

she may have gone to see a friend there were other people in her life as well as luke

ther were plentyo people she knew who lived right next to the path.

im guesing if she did gos omwhere it probely have been to yvone walkrs flat yvone walker was he  cousen by the way

[Bubo bubo]

se oul of gone to see a frien there were other
people in he rlife than luke.

therewee plentyo people he knew who live right next to the path.

im guesing if he id go omwhere it probely have been to yvone walkrs flat yvone walker was he  cousen by the way

Can I ask you to tidy up this post it is virtually unreadable.

She did not say anything about going to another house when she left home. Unless this other person was the killer why have they not said that she had visited them as part of the original investigation. If they were a relative and close to the path the police would surely have interviewed them and her family would have notified the police of relatives living in the area.

What would be the motive? seems very unlikely to me. I will stick with a professional serial killer until anything else emerges as a rational alternative.

Whoever did this was an expert and had killed before ,not a beginner. This is the work of a deranged individual IMO

[Steve_uk]

Crime associated with devil worship does happen: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/devil-pact-british-teen-found-guilty-murdering-sisters-bid-win-lottery-2021-07-06/

Are some posts getting a little far-fetched, entertaining as they may be?

[Bubo bubo]

Crime associated with devil worship does happen: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/devil-pact-british-teen-found-guilty-murdering-sisters-bid-win-lottery-2021-07-06/

Are some posts getting a little far-fetched, entertaining as they may be?

This guy has a mental problem which manifested itself in a particular way. For another it might be a fetish like girls with lip piercings who he/she see as brides of Satan for example. There is an underlying derangement which manifests.

You have demonstrated yourself an example which if told of before the event you would say' That's too far-fetched' So I would ask you to point out those that you believe too far-fetched when they are posted rather than using a general statement. Thanks

[Steve_uk]

This guy has a mental problem which manifested itself in a particular way. For another it might be a fetish like girls with lip piercings who he/she see as brides of Satan for example. There is an underlying derangement which manifests.

You have demonstrated yourself an example which if told of before the event you would say' That's too far-fetched' So I would ask you to point out those that you believe too far-fetched when they are posted rather than using a general statement. Thanks

Well Jodie being tied up and abducted is one for a start. It reminds me a little of Agatha Christie's Dead Man's Folly. And why would Jodie be talking to a fisherman? Teenagers hang around with their own clique. I don't mind these theories, but Luke Mitchell is the obvious suspect and real life is not always a work of detective fiction.

[Bubo bubo]

Well Jodie being tied up and abducted is one for a start. It reminds me a little of Agatha Christie's Dead Man's Folly. And why would Jodie be talking to a fisherman? Teenagers hang around with their own clique. I don't mind these theories, but Luke Mitchell is the obvious suspect and real life is not always a work of detective fiction.

She was tied up. Her hands were tied behind her back with her trousers. No one has claimed she was talking to a fisherman. However it is quite common to ask a fisherman if they have had a good day. I used to fish a lot and would be asked by passers bye. She could have been gagged before further mutilation. A well ordered serial killer would ensure that they did not look out of place or draw attention to themselves. So dressing up in outdoor pursuit clothing of one kind or another would be part of the plan. If they dressed as Ronald McDonald it might be a giveaway but less so if we were looking at say a carnival or the Edinburgh Festival.

Although the obvious suspect because he has been convicted he might not have been if it was not for the Lynch Mob and the circus that grew around this case. There is no evidence outside  of weak circumstantial evidence which if the case had been conducted outside of the 'Cauldron' of a witch hunt, more rational approaches may have been adopted and different conclusions drawn.

[Steve_uk]

She was tied up. Her hands were tied behind her back with her trousers. No one has claimed she was talking to a fisherman. However it is quite common to ask a fisherman if they have had a good day. I used to fish a lot and would be asked by passers bye. She could have been gagged before further mutilation. A well ordered serial killer would ensure that they did not look out of place or draw attention to themselves. So dressing up in outdoor pursuit clothing of one kind or another would be part of the plan. If they dressed as Ronald McDonald it might be a giveaway but less so if we were looking at say a carnival or the Edinburgh Festival.

Although the obvious suspect because he has been convicted he might not have been if it was not for the Lynch Mob and the circus that grew around this case. There is no evidence outside  of weak circumstantial evidence which if the case had been conducted outside of the 'Cauldron' of a witch hunt, more rational approaches may have been adopted and different conclusions drawn.

Well you have rowed back somewhat from this:

 She could have been 'Captured' and gagged and hidden for a short while. We can only speculate. It is possible they met the killer for a drug deal and he/she had her stashed ready for when they left. He/she could have left her in a captive state some where before finishing the deed at leisure. He/she could have used the drug deal as a potential alibi at a later date using it as a reason for their presence on the path.

[Bubo bubo]

Well you have rowed back somewhat from this:

 She could have been 'Captured' and gagged and hidden for a short while. We can only speculate. It is possible they met the killer for a drug deal and he/she had her stashed ready for when they left. He/she could have left her in a captive state some where before finishing the deed at leisure. He/she could have used the drug deal as a potential alibi at a later date using it as a reason for their presence on the path.

This post was produced to show a wide range of possibilities through speculation, rather than suggest this is what actually happened. All have varying degrees of plausibility but given your earlier example are equally bizarre and cannot be ruled out IMO.

[Steve_uk]

This post was produced to show a wide range of possibilities through speculation, rather than suggest this is what actually happened. All have varying degrees of plausibility but given your earlier example are equally bizarre and cannot be ruled out IMO.

Did you get this from Innocents Betrayed?

[nugnug]

i ant think of any other explantion for the killer an the victem not being  seen be people on the path other the murer happen later than stated.

[nugnug]

Can I ask you to tidy up this post it is virtually unreadable.

She did not say anything about going to another house when she left home. Unless this other person was the killer why have they not said that she had visited them as part of the original investigation. If they were a relative and close to the path the police would surely have interviewed them and her family would have notified the police of relatives living in the area.

What would be the motive? seems very unlikely to me. I will stick with a professional serial killer until anything else emerges as a rational alternative.

Whoever did this was an expert and had killed before ,not a beginner. This is the work of a deranged individual IMO

may of been on the spur of the moment 14 year ol girls o not tell thee mother all there planes

im not for a moment sugesting yvone waler kille her am  just sugeting joi may hae gone there.

why woulent he of mentione thi to thepolie there are plenty of reasons  she might not  of one so epening on wat was going on there at the time like rug eals or thing like that.

just beouse somone oesnt want to talk to to the polie about a murer oes not mean they were invole in it.

it often mean they have somthing else to hide

[nugnug]

if it happen at the time state how an you explian the the 2 youths onthe mope not meeting the killer or the victm.

[Roadrunner]

To be honest I find the prosecutions theory to be just as far fetched as any speculation mentioned on these forums.

It takes 20 mins to walk from his house to where its said that he was seen by Andrina Bryson. To be there he would have to have dropped everything he was doing and ran out the door after the first txt to be at the Easthouses end of the path. The first txt was 16.34 the last was 16:38, AB's sighting was 16:54.

 It takes 8-10 mins to get from there to the murder site so that take us up to 17:02 - 17:04.

Luke calls Jodi house phone at 17:32 and again at 17:40. This leaves 33 mins to commit the murder.

Luke is allegedly seen at 17:45 by Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming at the Newbattle end of the path.

It takes 8 mins to get from the Newbattle entrance to the path to the entrance to Luke's street where we was positively identified at 17:50 - 18:00  by the boys on the bikes who knew him and described the clothes he had on as the same as he wore to school that day and these were the same clothes that he was wearing when he was arrested.

Where is the time for him to run home throw a bloody parka at his mum, tell her whats happened and ask her to burn it, clean himself up, then ran back out to be at the wall where he was seen by the boys then spent the evening with friends? There's no time for that to have happened.

It makes far more sense that Andrina Bryson and Fleming and Walsh were mistaken and Luke left home at 17:30 like he claims.