Why So Parochial?

[nugnug]

Sorry I think you are wrong. It was on the T shirt. It was said to have been borrowed by by her sister and that's how it was found on JJ.

it was suposed to hvae transfere on to the bra from the t shirt.

[Bubo bubo]

it wass upose to hae transfer on to the bra from the t shirt.

Do not want to be a stickler but what is your source. Thanks.

[killingeve]

This a much smaller place and more remote. Local population tiny compared to Easterhouses and Newbattle.

Yes sure but it was in response to your post saying SL said she did not even know of the path.  I was just pointing out that grisly murders do take place in little known areas.

[killingeve]

One of the moped boys gave evidence at trial saying he supplied Luke with Cannabis.

Yes I was aware of this but dealing cannabis is a far cry from murder and mutlilation without obvious motive. 

If Jodie stumbled across something/someone or got into some verbal altercation which got out of hand why would the perp continue stabbing and mutilating post death?  Maybe lash out in anger but that's not what happened. 

[killingeve]

sperm was oun on the brastrap belonging to jois sisters boyfriend.

I don't believe any sperm was found on Jodie's person or clothing.

I understand Luke's DNA was found on her bra and Stephen Kelly's DNA on her tshirt.  Defence and prosecution agreed pre trial Luke's DNA on her bra was meaningless since the pair were having an intimate relationship.  Stephen Kelly's DNA was accounted for by the fact the tshirt Jodie was wearing belonged to her sister who was having an initimate relationship with Stephen Kelly. 

[killingeve]

Tobin hid his bodies whoever did this posed and displayed them in the open.

them?

I don't believe there's any evidence Jodie's body was posed? 

Tobin used a dagger and cut Vicky Hamilton in two.  Its a bit of a longshot for him to be involved in Jodie's case unless as I said he was given early release time out.

Maybe the perp in the case of Jodie was disturbed and fled the scene.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes sure but it was in response to your post saying SL said she did not even know of the path.  I was just pointing out that grisly murders do take place in little known areas.

Of course. I think the local police could not or did not consider that some deranged individual might have  been in their area and launch a nationwide enquiry (including England) to see if there had been any similar cases. Did they? Why did they not link this in with the profiling work that was done by the FBI? It looks like they took an easy option in the end to condemn a local lad purely on weak circumstantial evidence. It is also possible that the perpetrator deliberately put distance between his/her crimes, including a different legal jurisdiction and police force, away from his/her original 'hunting ground' to relieve suspicions from earlier attacks. This crime may have been committed by someone with this kind of mindset. Other serial killers have taken this kind of action.

[killingeve]

Of course. I think the local police could not or did not consider that some deranged individual might have  been in their area and launch a nationwide enquiry (including England) to see if there had been any similar cases. Did they? Why did they not link this in with the profiling work that was done by the FBI? It looks like they took an easy option in the end to condemn a local lad purely on weak circumstantial evidence. It is also possible that the perpetrator deliberately put distance between his/her crimes, including a different legal jurisdiction and police force, away from his/her original 'hunting ground' to relieve suspicions from earlier attacks. This crime may have been committed by someone with this kind of mindset. Other serial killers have taken this kind of action.

Yes may even have planned it around the weather ie anticpating the body would not be found until after the heavy rainfall thus removing trace evidence. 

Would the body have been found as quickly as it was without Luke's dog Mia who I understand had some training as a tracker dog? 

[Bubo bubo]

Yes may even have planned it around the weather ie anticpating the body would not be found until after the heavy rainfall thus removing trace evidence. 

Would the body have been found as quickly as it was without Luke's dog Mia who I understand had some training as a tracker dog? 

them?

I don't believe there's any evidence Jodie's body was posed? 

Tobin used a dagger and cut Vicky Hamilton in two.  Its a bit of a longshot for him to be involved in Jodie's case unless as I said he was given early release time out.

Maybe the perp in the case of Jodie was disturbed and fled the scene.

The disturbed and fled is possible. The posing is slight but why place the bra cups together? Why was her own hair in her hand? The crime scene was not protected and we do not know whether the family caused any disturbance to the scene. I find the attack to the throat, the blow to the back of the head and the mutilation of the breast signature elements to the case.

[Bubo bubo]

them?

I don't believe there's any evidence Jodie's body was posed? 

Tobin used a dagger and cut Vicky Hamilton in two.  Its a bit of a longshot for him to be involved in Jodie's case unless as I said he was given early release time out.

Maybe the perp in the case of Jodie was disturbed and fled the scene.

I use the term them because this murder was not the first time the perpetrator had struck. This does not look like an attack by a 'newbie'. It was not a first attempt gone wrong. Whoever did this IMO had done something similar before.

[killingeve]

The disturbed and fled is possible. The posing is slight but why place the bra cups together? Why was her own hair in her hand? The crime scene was not protected and we do not know whether the family caused any disturbance to the scene. I find the attack to the throat, the blow to the back of the head and the mutilation of the breast signature elements to the case.

Where can I read about the bra cups and hair in hand? 

[Bubo bubo]

Where can I read about the bra cups and hair in hand?

I am afraid I cannot help there. I investigated the case in 2019 when the JB case was in the doldrums and only returned to it when QC re-highlighted the case. Most of it is remembered detail from this time. I did not catalogue my findings. This information could have come from various sources at different times. Some comes from Busutill I think. Other bits could be from various news media outlets. Sorry I can't be of more help but am reluctant to recommence 'data mining' at this time. Whilst not having a truly photographic memory it is pretty good as I think my analysis and subsequent postings shows.

[killingeve]

I am afraid I cannot help there. I investigated the case in 2019 when the JB case was in the doldrums and only returned to it when QC re-highlighted the case. Most of it is remembered detail from this time. I did not catalogue my findings. This information could have come from various sources at different times. Some comes from Busutill I think. Other bits could be from various news media outlets. Sorry I can't be of more help but am reluctant to recommence 'data mining' at this time. Whilst not having a truly photographic memory it is pretty good as I think my analysis and subsequent postings shows.

Ok thanks.  I'll have a root around when I have more time.

The 'Free Libarary' has a lot of press articles about the trial. 

[killingeve]

As mentioned on this thread and another about likely profile of perp, Dalkeith is not remote.  It's close to trunk roads, ports, domestic and international airports, train stations and has plenty to attract outsiders eg fishing and golf.

A fisherman would more than likely have a vehicle, camping equipment, change of clothes including waterproofs, maps, and sharp instruments eg knives  He (maybe she) would most likely be aware of weather conditions too ie the heavy rainfall which fell on the eve of the murder and destroyed much of the forensic evidence.

https://britishseafishing.co.uk/legal-issues-of-carrying-knives-for-fishing/

[killingeve]

[16] The second key was the evidence of the witness Andrina Bryson. She had seen a male and a female standing near the Easthouses end of the path at around 1650 or 1655. The female was standing close to the beginning of the path on the pavement looking towards the male, who was on the path. The witness identified the appellant from a book of photographs as being the male whom she had seen. She noted him as wearing a khaki green, hip-length, fishing-style jacket. Its collar was up, and it had a pocket which was bulging.