Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:

[ILB]

I'm insinuating no such thing.  I think it is clear what I said: Jeremy hoped Sheila would kill the family.  It is just a theory, though.

I doubt Jeremy and Sheila would be confederates.  They did not have that sort of relationship, though here I am reliant on secondary sources and the claims of people who want Jeremy to be guilty.  We can't know for sure the truth of it.  Jeremy claims his relationship with Sheila was good and she did say something positive about him in her diary that evening, and she did walk the boys to see him on the tractor in the rape field that same evening. 

Has it occurred to you that the criticism of Jeremy concerning the phone calls can be turned around against his accusers?  If Jeremy is guilty, why wouldn't he just ring 999?  Why weaken his murder plot by ringing a local police station and making himself look silly and perhaps suspicious, thus needlessly drawing attention to his own actions?

reference you saying Jeremy said his relationship with his sister was good. He also stated to police when asked who she would be more angrier at seeing " both of us , she doesn't like me and I don't like her"

We can all agree that Jeremy and Shelia's relationship wasn't brilliant

[Rob_]

How would he know what's manned?

A 999 operative would. That is their job.

Any near large town I should think it's not rocket science?

[Adam]

How would he know what's manned?

A 999 operative would. That is their job.

His nearest police station was nearly 4 miles away.

So he certainly would not know which of the 6 were manned.

As said I gave 3 reasons why he called Chelmsford today.

[Rob_]

His nearest police station was nearly 4 miles away.

So he certainly would not know which of the 6 were manned.

As said I gave 3 reasons why he called Chelmsford today.

Unfortunately none of your reasoning or logic makes any sense to me, it's why I have been trying to help you with your JB scenario.

[Adam]

Unfortunately none of your reasoning or logic makes any sense to me, it's why I have been trying to help you with your JB scenario.

If you do not understand these reasons, I can do no more -

He thought it would give him more chance of getting picked up by them from his cottage.

It gives him more time to change/clean after arriving back at his cottage & prior to meeting the police. 

If the police could check call times, it justifies a gap of 15-20 minutes after Nevill's call - 'I was looking for the number of Chelmsford Police

[guest29835]

..because he needed the extra time to clean himself up.

If he was staging calls in a way that depended on establishing times, he would not have delayed at all.  He would have rushed back by bike - as Adam says - and made his call straight-away.  He then explains his delay in whatever way he likes - messing around with the phone book, etc.

On the other hand, if he wasn't staging a call, then he had all the time to prepare himself and invent a time for the call from Nevill.

I believe we have established in these discussions that he did not have an answering machine, so he had no technical means to stage a call; ergo, he must have invented the call, so there was no reason for him to construe reasons for a delay.  If he was ready at 3.20 a.m. after 'cleaning himself up', etc., then he could ring the police at 3.21 a.m. and say he had just had the call from Nevill, and he could later say it was 3.20 a.m.  Or he could make a mistake and say it was 3.25 a.m. and if challenged claim that he just mixed the times up as it was the early hours of the morning.

[Rob_]

If you do not understand these reasons, I can do no more -

He thought it would give him more chance of getting picked up by them from his cottage.

It gives him more time to change/clean after arriving back at his cottage & prior to meeting the police.

If the police could check call times, it justifies a gap of 15-20 minutes after Nevill's call - 'I was looking for the number of Chelmsford Police

As I said Adam none of these reason's make any sense to me whatsoever, you said he had been planning the crime for months, it's looks to me like he was planning to nick a few fags from the local shop?

[Adam]

If he was staging calls in a way that depended on establishing times, he would not have delayed at all.  He would have rushed back by bike - as Adam says - and made his call straight-away.  He then explains his delay in whatever way he likes - messing around with the phone book, etc.

On the other hand, if he wasn't staging a call, then he had all the time to prepare himself and invent a time for the call from Nevill.

I believe we have established in these discussions that he did not have an answering machine, so he had no technical means to stage a call; ergo, he must have invented the call, so there was no reason for him to construe reasons for a delay.  If he was ready at 3.20 a.m. after 'cleaning himself up', etc., then he could ring the police at 3.21 a.m. and say he had just had the call from Nevill, and he could later say it was 3.20 a.m.  Or he could make a mistake and say it was 3.25 a.m. and if challenged claim that he just mixed the times up as it was the early hours of the morning.

He did have an AM. There are 7 sources.

But appreciate supporters will claim he didn't.

[Kestrel19]

Adam - Robert Boutflour seemed to believe that locals (as you keep pointing out Jeremy was) would know the manned hours.

What I do find interesting in his diary is that he picks up on Jeremy for every possible reason to show he did it - but he doesn’t mention anywhere that he didn’t call 999.
He picked up on him saying called Witham when he knew it would be closed. (Which if true means the 6th furthest Station falls flat, if untrue then I’m sure you’ll say - and I’d agree - it seems an odd thing for Jeremy to suggest he’d done.)
But nowhere does Robert Boutflour seem to show surprise at him calling Chelmsford direct instead of 999 or that particular station. Could this be a reflection on the way the family more generally were
With regards the police?

[Kestrel19]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,246.msg1557.html#msg1557

The diary notes I refer to are here

[Steve_uk]

If he was staging calls in a way that depended on establishing times, he would not have delayed at all.  He would have rushed back by bike - as Adam says - and made his call straight-away.  He then explains his delay in whatever way he likes - messing around with the phone book, etc.

On the other hand, if he wasn't staging a call, then he had all the time to prepare himself and invent a time for the call from Nevill.

I believe we have established in these discussions that he did not have an answering machine, so he had no technical means to stage a call; ergo, he must have invented the call, so there was no reason for him to construe reasons for a delay.  If he was ready at 3.20 a.m. after 'cleaning himself up', etc., then he could ring the police at 3.21 a.m. and say he had just had the call from Nevill, and he could later say it was 3.20 a.m.  Or he could make a mistake and say it was 3.25 a.m. and if challenged claim that he just mixed the times up as it was the early hours of the morning.

We established no such thing. Mike says police removed a tape from his answering machine early in the investigation.

[guest29835]

We established no such thing. Mike says police removed a tape from his answering machine early in the investigation.

He bought that after the incident.

[Adam]

He bought that after the incident.

Mike was Bamber's main supporter in the 90's & litigation friend I believe.

He has said Bamber had an AM pre massacre.

But appreciate supporters will try to claim he didn't.

[Rob_]

Mike was Bamber's main supporter in the 90's & litigation friend I believe.

He has said Bamber had an AM pre massacre.

But appreciate supporters will try to claim he didn't.

Appreciate you will say he did, but the times don't fit so does not help? The delay in calling the police only makes sense if JB calls his AM from WHF.

[Adam]

Appreciate you will say he did, but the times don't fit so does not help? The delay in calling the police only makes sense if JB calls his AM from WHF.

Agree. So he cycled back & called Chelmsford Police.

Simple.