Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:

[Adam]

Either way works -

He commited the massacre. Phoned no one from WHF. Cycled back. He is lucky BT/the police can't nail him with phone evidence.

He commits the massacre. Phones his AM. Cycles back. Phones Chelmsford police.

Having an AM just makes it more certain Bamber felt confident after ringing Julie at 10pm.

[ILB]

Either way works -

He commited the massacre. Phoned no one from WHF. Cycled back. He is lucky BT/the police can't nail him with phone evidence.

He commits the massacre. Phones his AM. Cycles back. Phones Chelmsford police.

he isn't lucky at all if gulity. He hasn't known a days freedom since September 29th of 1985

[Armchair Detective]

The Julie call does not make sense I agree, if she knew what he was and had been planning surely she would have broken down and cried her eyes out?

Not if she was as ruthless as some people believe.

She may have been furious he called her at all in those circumstances.

[Rob_]

Or froze to keep the emotion in.

Perhaps you can help Adam out Jane he is really stuck with the 15 minutes JB had after ringing his AM and calling the police from his cottage?

[Adam]

he isn't lucky at all if gulity. He hasn't known a days freedom since September 29th of 1985

Proof from BT/the police that there was no call from WHF & Bamber would not have made one appeal.

[ILB]

Proof from BT/the police that there was no call from WHF & Bamber would not have made one appeal.

if they could have proved that a call was never made from Nevill we wouldn't be having the conversation we are having now. It would have been a slam dunk for the prosecution. It is more important than the silencer. Julie, relatives, comments from people, gut feelings, anything.

[Rob_]

Either way works -

He commited the massacre. Phoned no one from WHF. Cycled back. He is lucky BT/the police can't nail him with phone evidence.

He commits the massacre. Phones his AM. Cycles back. Phones Chelmsford police.

Oh good Adam we are getting somewhere so you have given up on the answer phone!

So what you are now saying is he just took and punt that the calls could not be traced?

[Adam]

Oh good Adam we are getting somewhere so you have given up on the answer phone!

So what you are now saying is he just took and punt that the calls could not be traced?

Did you not read my post?

The second paragraph has him ringing his AM.

Stop making things up.

[Adam]

if they could have proved that a call was never made from Nevill we wouldn't be having the conversation we are having now. It would have been a slam dunk for the prosecution. It is more important than the silencer. Julie, relatives, comments from people, gut feelings, anything.

Agree.

He was very lucky if he didn't phone his AM.

[guest29835]

Your father ringing you in the wee hours saying your sister who has mental health issues has gone crazy and has access to gun when children are present as well as your mum?

But the call was ambiguous.  "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got a gun."  Then it ended.  Does it mean Sheila is on a murderous rampage or threatening as much?  Or does it mean she's gone crazy and she's also got a gun?  I think there's a distinction between the two, which is blunted or lost now only because we have the benefit of hindsight.  Jeremy may also have thought that the call meant or implied that the police are already there and Nevill is letting Jeremy know.  Or does it mean Nevill wants Jeremy to help rather than the police?  Or does it mean Nevill has rung the police and has now also rung Jeremy?

Jeremy was in a situation where his father had rung him, and he did not know if his father had also rung the police or what exactly was going on.  He tried to call his father back but could not do so, as the line was engaged, perhaps suggesting to Jeremy that the police were being called.  It's not necessarily clear what was going on and Jeremy may have been unsure about what to do.  To be fair, the police did ask Jeremy why he had not rung 999 and nowadays you would definitely expect someone to ring 999, but at the same time, the police were only expressing surprise about it after an explanation from Jeremy once he had clarified it all for himself in his own mind by giving Nevill's ambiguous call the worst possible interpretation, and only when they were all stood outside the farmhouse with no apparent sign of life.

Jeremy could, in the alternative, have said: "I've received an urgent call from my father.  He says my sister has gone crazy and got a gun, but then the line went dead or he stopped talking.  Has my father already called you?  If not, I'm confused because I don't understand why he would call me instead of the police."  Maybe 999 is the call he should have made to say this, but the situation was different then because people often had the number of their local police station and that was often used to ring the police.

Of course, another possibility is that Jeremy is innocent but was stalling intentionally in the hope that Sheila would kill the family.  Maybe that was Jeremy's plan?

[ILB]

You may be certain it has been

I think you know what I mean Jane

[guest29835]

it can be argued he was buying himself time if gulity.

Why does he need to buy time?

[Steve_uk]

But the call was ambiguous.  "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got a gun."  Then it ended.  Does it mean Sheila is on a murderous rampage or threatening as much?  Or does it mean she's gone crazy and she's also got a gun?  I think there's a distinction between the two, which is blunted or lost now only because we have the benefit of hindsight.  Jeremy may also have thought that the call meant or implied that the police are already there and Nevill is letting Jeremy know.  Or does it mean Nevill wants Jeremy to help rather than the police?  Or does it mean Nevill has rung the police and has now also rung Jeremy?

Jeremy was in a situation where his father had rung him, and he did not know if his father had also rung the police or what exactly was going on.  He tried to call his father back but could not do so, as the line was engaged, perhaps suggesting to Jeremy that the police were being called.  It's not necessarily clear what was going on and Jeremy may have been unsure about what to do.  To be fair, the police did ask Jeremy why he had not rung 999 and nowadays you would definitely expect someone to ring 999, but at the same time, the police were only expressing surprise about it after an explanation from Jeremy once he had clarified it all for himself in his own mind by giving Nevill's ambiguous call the worst possible interpretation, and only when they were all stood outside the farmhouse with no apparent sign of life.

Jeremy could, in the alternative, have said: "I've received an urgent call from my father.  He says my sister has gone crazy and got a gun, but then the line went dead or he stopped talking.  Has my father already called you?  If not, I'm confused because I don't understand why he would call me instead of the police."  Maybe 999 is the call he should have made to say this, but the situation was different then because people often had the number of their local police station and that was often used to ring the police.

Of course, another possibility is that Jeremy is innocent but was stalling intentionally in the hope that Sheila would kill the family.  Maybe that was Jeremy's plan?

But the number wasn't to hand was it, hence the delay.

[Kestrel19]

The Julie call does not make sense I agree, if she knew what he was and had been planning surely she would have broken down and cried her eyes out?

The contents of the Julie call still doesn’t make sense to me.
“Everything is going well, there’s something wrong at the farm”

If Julie knows what’s happening then the two sentences don’t fit together, if she has no idea then they still don’t fit in the manner they’ve been portrayed. I wonder if part of it is that the tone has been lost in the words being written down. (Also remembering that we’ve only got Julie’s word on exactly what was said)
Could the conversation have been more like:

Julie: “Jeremy, what’s the matter, are you ok?” (Assuming there’s a problem having got a call at 3.15am)
Jeremy: “everything’s going well” (i.e “don’t worry I’M fine”) but somethings wrong at the farm…

After this we only have Julie’s word that Sheila wasn’t mentioned, and she may not have been, alternatively she could have been mentioned and Jeremy was seeking comfort from her as he says.
The phone call could be reported almost word for word but it only takes a change in tone to change the whole meaning of that call.

[Jane]

I think you know what I mean Jane

Jest. My apologies, ILB