The Various Allegations Against Luke Mitchell

[Davie2]

I think he meant grams not ounces.

Hahahahaha, source to back this up please.

[Steve_uk]

I think the clue to your post lays in the title ‘ALLEGATIONS’ for that is all you have produced they are only a string of unattributed allegations.

Luke was not a normal 14-year-old.

Since when have you been a qualified psychologist and what is normal. I am sure you could attribute much of what you say to thousands of 14 year olds up and down the country.

Sexually mature for his age.

Applies to lots of lads, puberty onset and development is not something that can be the same for all.

Was forensically aware

So what. This type of information is easily obtained just by watching television.

Was physically strong

Boys are stronger than most girls in their early teens. Who is this girl? Unattributed ‘small town talk’ IMO.

Had an assortment of knives

Evidence required please. I was in the scouts we all liked knives.

Throttled another child at junior school.

Evidence please. Could have just been a minor playground bust up.

English essay concerns

What were the contents that caused this concern? Maybe he had a more vivid imagination and wrote in a more adult style tackling topics which stimulated his curiosity.

He tried to impose himself sexually on girls.

Names please and witness statements. More small town tittle tattle IMO.

Was clearly two timing JJ

Evidence please. Who was this other girlfriend?

His actions were fuelled by Cannabis.

You clearly missed out on the TV show the Young Ones. Neil was constantly stoned and could hardly get up from a chair and constantly messed up especially when cooking.

Your post seems to have been produced in order to convince yourself of his guilt. It has not changed my view.

Luke was not a normal 14-year-old.

It's not really normal to store more than twenty bottles of urine in your bedroom I would have thought. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3a+The+finest+day+I+ever+had+was+when+tomorrow...-a0126288471


Evidence required please. I was in the scouts we all liked knives.

Kirsten Ford's evidence. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558

Evidence please. Who was this other girlfriend? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1

What were the contents that caused this concern? Maybe he had a more vivid imagination and wrote in a more adult style tackling topics which stimulated his curiosity Mrs Mackie's concerns: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4042321.stm

[Germane]

With regard to your last point she was working as a self-employed owner of a caravan site, so must have had something about her. Her demeanour always looked to me defensive as if she were frightened of something: troubled, tormented. How does Shane fit into the equation: he seems to have kept out of the media intrusion and not involved in the cabal between mother and younger son, if that's what it is?

I don’t have anything against CM whastsoever. I think she may be in denial, though. I’m still not sure if LM ever told her if he was responsible for Jodi’s murder, but I think LM had help that evening disposing of incriminating evidence (clothing). Either CM or LM were involved, or both, imo.  Another piece of info I’ve gleaned in relation to this case over the past few months, from books and online forums, is that CM’s burgundy Frontera was spotted near the entrance to rdp on the battle road that evening (I think this info came from people who were at the original trial, either as witnesses or who attended the trial out of curiosity ... info has a way of filtering through, though how accurate said info is is up for debate). Regardless, the prosecution built a complelling case against LM; the circumstantial case against LM was overwhelming.

As for SM ... I’ve already highlighted in another thread that his testimony severely undermined his younger brother’s alibi. In fact, for me, SM’s testimony was the most salient evidence of Luke’s guilt; it showed that CM tried to supply Luke with a false alibi (and I think the only reason that she wasn’t charged with perjury was because the prosecution probably felt that she’d endured enough by losing her son to a life sentence and felt sorry for her, to an extent). I also think that SM’s reticence throughout the years (as well as the father’s reticence) about the case speaks volumes. If I thought my own brother was innocent, especially of a brutal murder, I would be very vocal about it and very much in the public eye getting the message out there. But not a peep from SM in all these years. Very telling, imo. Likewise, I’ve always felt that LM’s lack of emotion throughout the trial and at sentencing was concerning and telling (and I don’t buy all these theories that he was emotionless because he was heavily medicated or advised by the judge not to show any emotion; if he was innocent, he would’ve been shouting and being animated, protesting his innocence).

[Bubo bubo]

Hahahahaha, source to back this up please.

Have you had a fresh supply of oxygen. It is clear he had no idea of his own consumption. Even Bob Marley and all the Wailers would have struggled to consume at that level as was testified by the expert and a detective.

[Steve_uk]

I don’t have anything against CM whastsoever. I think she may be in denial, though. I’m still not sure if LM ever told her if he was responsible for Jodi’s murder, but I think LM had help that evening disposing of incriminating evidence (clothing). Either CM or LM were involved, or both, imo.  Another piece of info I’ve gleaned in relation to this case over the past few months, from books and online forums, is that CM’s burgundy Frontera was spotted near the entrance to rdp on the battle road that evening (I think this info came from people who were at the original trial, either as witnesses or who attended the trial out of curiosity ... info has a way of filtering through, though how accurate said info is is up for debate). Regardless, the prosecution built a complelling case against LM; the circumstantial case against LM was overwhelming.

As for SM ... I’ve already highlighted in another thread that his testimony severely undermined his younger brother’s alibi. In fact, for me, SM’s testimony was the most salient evidence of Luke’s guilt; it showed that CM tried to supply Luke with a false alibi (and I think the only reason that she wasn’t charged with perjury was because the prosecution probably felt that she’d endured enough by losing her son to a life sentence and felt sorry for her, to an extent). I also think that SM’s reticence throughout the years (as well as the father’s reticence) about the case speaks volumes. If I thought my own brother was innocent, especially of a brutal murder, I would be very vocal about it and very much in the public eye getting the message out there. But not a peep from SM in all these years. Very telling, imo. Likewise, I’ve always felt that LM’s lack of emotion throughout the trial and at sentencing was concerning and telling (and I don’t buy all these theories that he was emotionless because he was heavily medicated or advised by the judge not to show any emotion; if he was innocent, he would’ve been shouting and being animated, protesting his innocence).

Yes these are good points. I always wondered why the brother and father kept silent. As far as Luke's emotions are concerned, does cannabis have a mind-numbing effect, and what about withdrawal symptoms?

[Roadrunner]

Is that you still trying to smear the Jones. You would think in the day and age you would change tac, but you just cannot help yourself. But i'm sure you will provide source to back all this up right?

£15 worth of hash is 4/5 joints, 3 grams, we know by Luke's own admission he smoked considerably more. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/

Can you please make your own separate thread to discredit Dr Sandra Lean. I understand that you don't like her that's coming through loud and clear across the 4 separate threads that you've brought her into now.

Dr Sandra lean is the author of the only book completely devoted to this case. She is Luke Mitchells advocate and has access to the defence's case papers. Regardless of anyone's opinion of her as an individual, it is almost entirely impossible to discuss the case without mentioning her.

As I've said before much of my own reading into this case supports what she claims in her book. I get that you don't agree with that, it's ok to disagree. Derailing the conversation to make it about her is not helpful to the people who are trying to understand the ins and out of the case.

JF admitted in court that he used and supplied cannabis. https://www.scotsman.com/news/ex-drug-dealer-denies-he-was-behind-murder-cousin-jodi-2509760

Additional information from Dr Sandra Lean based on the statements of JF, JoJ and JuJ, is that JF and JoJ stayed over at AW house on the night before Jodi was murdered, smoked cannabis and had a few beers then they walked to Judith's the following morning and smoked cannabis in JoJ's bedroom until JF left in the afternoon.

[Roadrunner]

Was clearly two timing JJ

Evidence please. Who was this other girlfriend?

Yes Luke was cheating on Jodi with KT. He met her while on holiday and they stayed in touch through phone calls and met up another once or twice. It's also true that on a Saturday night Luke arranged for a taxi to take Jodi home so she wouldn't miss her curfew of 10pm then phoned KT and had phone sex. Was this a really shitty way to treat Jodi and KT? Yes. Does it make Luke Mitchell a murderer? No.
Remember these were 13 and 14 year old kids not serious long term relationships.

The motive put forward by the prosecution was that Luke had an upcoming holiday and would be visiting KT, Jodi found out, an argument ensued and he killed her. Corinne said that this holiday had been cancelled. Judith said Jodi left the house in a good mood and was happy to be seeing Luke so no indication of an earlier argument.

[Davie2]

Can you please make your own separate thread to discredit Dr Sandra Lean. I understand that you don't like her that's coming through loud and clear across the 4 separate threads that you've brought her into now.

Dr Sandra lean is the author of the only book completely devoted to this case. She is Luke Mitchells advocate and has access to the defence's case papers. Regardless of anyone's opinion of her as an individual, it is almost entirely impossible to discuss the case without mentioning her.

As I've said before much of my own reading into this case supports what she claims in her book. I get that you don't agree with that, it's ok to disagree. Derailing the conversation to make it about her is not helpful to the people who are trying to understand the ins and out of the case.

JF admitted in court that he used and supplied cannabis. https://www.scotsman.com/news/ex-drug-dealer-denies-he-was-behind-murder-cousin-jodi-2509760

Additional information from Dr Sandra Lean based on the statements of JF, JoJ and JuJ, is that JF and JoJ stayed over at AW house on the night before Jodi was murdered, smoked cannabis and had a few beers then they walked to Judith's the following morning and smoked cannabis in JoJ's bedroom until JF left in the afternoon.

Not good enough, you are the one making these claims and trying to pass them on as facts, back them up, it really is that simple.

[Davie2]

Have you had a fresh supply of oxygen. It is clear he had no idea of his own consumption. Even Bob Marley and all the Wailers would have struggled to consume at that level as was testified by the expert and a detective.

Are you calling Luke a lier now? I'm glad you're catching on.

[Steve_uk]

Surely the way Jodie was killed suggests a perpetrator who is obsessed with violence of an extreme nature? It would also to my mind tend to suggest premeditation rather than an opportunistic sex predator, who would have his way with Jodie, make a clean kill and clear out of the area as soon as possible.

[Bubo bubo]

Are you calling Luke a lier now? I'm glad you're catching on.

It is possible he was making fun of the prosecution by exaggerating his consumption level because he thought this was a silly issue to be used as a reason for his behaviour. I tend to think it was as said originally he had no idea of his consumption level.

[Steve_uk]

Surely the way Jodie was killed suggests a perpetrator who is obsessed with violence of an extreme nature? It would also to my mind tend to suggest premeditation rather than an opportunistic sex predator, who would have his way with Jodie, make a clean kill and clear out of the area as soon as possible.

I suppose what I'm getting at is: due to the extreme violent nature of the crime did Luke Mitchell leave his calling card at the site?

[Bubo bubo]

I suppose what I'm getting at is: due to the extreme violent nature of the crime did Luke Mitchell leave his calling card at the site?

See answer below.

One of the features of this case and probably others is the way that local gossip and rumours turn into so called facts via social media and newspapers.

1 I have been unable to find any corroboration of this. If you watch the first JE video (10 mins) SL states no such incidents were recorded except for being hauled over the coals for throwing a missile at a girl. This turned out to be half a Mars bar.

2 We have no evidence of the level of his cannabis use. Some reports were around saying he smoked 600 joints a week. How he managed this whilst attending school is open to debate. Seems a lot, I doubt Bob Marley smoked that much. Reference is made to stronger skunk use at this time but it seems he was using resin varieties.

3 I believe and many say for a fact that there is no physical dependence with cannabis though it is said to have a detrimental effect on people with other underlying mental issues particularly schizophrenia. There is said to be no withdrawal symptoms. There may well be some for whom its use becomes a psychological dependency.

4 There are dealers of all shapes and sizes in terms of their operation. Again I am not sure the level of trade he was conducting. Clearly not on the scale of a Pablo Escobar. His suppliers were the ‘moped boys’ (Ferris and Dickie). The former gave evidence at trial that he supplied LM on a regular basis. What is regular, daily weekly? And volumes are not discussed. Was he just a playground dealer? Did he act as the go between with his suppliers and his mates, who pooled their finances and he did the deals. It looks as if he was at the bottom of the ladder.

As an aside were Ferris and Dickie conducting a deal at around 17.00 hrs that day when their moped was spotted at the ‘V’. Did they not come forward to protect themselves and their memory loss is because they did not, at that time wish to incriminate themselves? They could also have attracted attention as to whether they were involved in the murder, because of the timing.

5 Another example of the twisted truth element to this case is the inscription on the knife pouch. It is not wholly from the Nirvana track. The start is but the end is not.

The lyrics actually read.

‘The smartest day I ever had was when I learned to cry on command’

Not ‘Was when tomorrow never came’.

Only LM can tell us why he inscribed this. We can only guess.

As another aside I suggest his knife possession was for Divvying up the resin. Many moons ago at rock festivals dealers would advertise with ‘Hot Knives’ signs outside their tents. The knife blade is heated which makes cutting resin slabs and pieces more easy and accurate.

I do not know what happened to the knife. Was it confiscated at school or just lost. It only had a four-inch blade which would mean significant contamination to the perpetrator if used for a stabbing attack given the number of wounds.

For some killers it is the act of slaughter that they crave rather than sexual gratification. By all the guilters postings it seems that he had no problem with getting sex even over the phone. I see you asking questions about cannabis use. Perhaps you missed my earlier post details above. You will also notice that I said he bought the knife for cutting resin cannabis which I now see that this is the reason he gave to JJ's best mate and she stated this at trial. It was purchased after the murder

Sorry Steve if you do not pay attention in class you will (a) have to do a detention (b) sit at the front of the class where I can keep an eye on you (c)  force me to write to your parents (d) force me to send you for a psychological assessment

[Steve_uk]

See answer below.

For some killers it is the act of slaughter that they crave rather than sexual gratification. By all the guilters postings it seems that he had no problem with getting sex even over the phone. I see you asking questions about cannabis use. Perhaps you missed my earlier post details above. You will also notice that I said he bought the knife for cutting resin cannabis which I now see that this is the reason he gave to JJ's best mate and she stated this at trial. It was purchased after the murder

Sorry Steve if you do not pay attention in class you will (a) have to do a detention (b) sit at the front of the class where I can keep an eye on you (c)  force me to write to your parents (d) force me to send you for a psychological assessment

I'm not taking the bait. You have been provided with links showing Mitchell's cannabis use (as far as I'm concerned the amount is irrelevant), that he had at least one other girlfriend, that his English teacher was so concerned about his essays she contacted the school guardian, that he used a knife on another girl during Cadets, that his alibi failed to stand up in court and that he had at least a passing interest in the Devil.

[Germane]

I suppose what I'm getting at is: due to the extreme violent nature of the crime did Luke Mitchell leave his calling card at the site?

Could’ve been the birth of a serial killer. You never know. I know it is well known that it was testified in court that LM had previously talked about getting stoned and killing a person and how funny that would be, how he knew how to kill a person and how to eviscerate animals like cows and horses, but what conclusions can you really draw from this? Sure, it is disturbing, but probably was not uncommon ramblings amongst goths and grunge music types back in 2003. Such a complex case.