Did Bamber's AM give him the confidence to commit the massacre?

[guest29835]

Hopefully your next improved JB scenario will cover all this? I await with interest.

I always look forward to Adam's scenarios.  It's the highlight of my week. 

[Rob_]

I always look forward to Adam's scenarios.  It's the highlight of my week.

Yes me to QC I am also glad that Adam does not mention flippers anymore 

[Adam]

Hopefully your next improved JB scenario will cover all this? I await with interest.

My current one matches the crime scene evidence.

Not much more I can add to the bike. He cycled there. Then cycled back. As the evidence shows.

[Rob_]

My current one matches the crime scene evidence.

Not much more I can add to the bike. He cycled there. Then cycled back. As the evidence shows.

Some detail please Adam not one liners, from the moment he rings his AM to when he rings the police.

[Adam]

Some detail please Adam not one liners, from the moment he rings his AM to when he rings the police.

He rings his AM.

Exits the kitchen window.

Cycles back. Quickly.

Rings Chelmsford police.

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That's 4 lines.

[Rob_]

He rings his AM.

Exits the kitchen window.

Cycles back. Quickly.

Rings Chelmsford police.

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That's 4 lines.

Ok so you have no plausible explanation that covers when JB phones his answer machine from WHF and 15 minutes latter phones the police? Perhaps Jane and CC can help?

[Adam]

Ok so you have no plausible explanation that covers when JB phones his answer machine from WHF and 15 minutes latter phones the police? Perhaps Jane and CC can help?

He cycles back. Even QC says PC Wilkinson managed in 16 minutes. And he wasn't in a hurry.

[ILB]

My current one matches the crime scene evidence.

Not much more I can add to the bike. He cycled there. Then cycled back. As the evidence shows.

in fairness Adam. A bicycle was at his cottage. And nothing more. No tyre tracks were discovered through the back lane. It remains purely speculative and in fairness no more than the prosecutions narrative

[guest29835]

He cycles back. Even QC says PC Wilkinson managed in 16 minutes. And he wasn't in a hurry.

It's DI Wilkinson.  He may have done a Bamber, but he was hardly the only one at fault, so let's not demote him back to PC.

DI Wilkinson managed it in 16 minutes, but in daylight over dry ground on a men's bike, whereas Jeremy would have had to cycle on a ladies' sit-up-and-beg bike, on muddy ground, and in the middle of the night.  And you say he went both ways by this method.

[Rob_]

It's DI Wilkinson.  He may have done a Bamber, but he was hardly the only one at fault, so let's not demote him back to PC.

DI Wilkinson managed it in 16 minutes, but in daylight over dry ground on a men's bike, whereas Jeremy would have had to cycle on a ladies' sit-up-and-beg bike, on muddy ground, and in the middle of the night.  And you say he went both ways by this method.

But that's just the bike ride QC, he also has to change and cover his tracks the police may ask to look around?

[guest29835]

in fairness Adam. A bicycle was at his cottage. And nothing more. No tyre tracks were discovered through the back lane. It remains purely speculative and in fairness no more than the prosecutions narrative

The bike is essential if Jeremy staged the call - and even then, it would have been very difficult.  If you search back through recent posts, you will find I had Adam all over the place with times. 

Adam deliberately posts repetitively to the Forum in order to bury embarrassing exchanges between myself and him (and with others, such as Rob) where he has been caught out.

Staging the call would also have required an answering machine, but Jeremy did not have one before the incident.  This is now established on a logical basis: i.e. no evidence he had one before, no-one remembers one despite staying at the cottage, and he could not have planned the call as there was no phone by the bed in the main bedroom.  It is only Adam who chooses to ignore all this.

[Adam]

It's DI Wilkinson.  He may have done a Bamber, but he was hardly the only one at fault, so let's not demote him back to PC.

DI Wilkinson managed it in 16 minutes, but in daylight over dry ground on a men's bike, whereas Jeremy would have had to cycle on a ladies' sit-up-and-beg bike, on muddy ground, and in the middle of the night.  And you say he went both ways by this method.

Have to say both had advantages & disadvantages.

Bamber had lived & worked between the 2 locations for two decades & was in a hurry. Wilkinson apparently had a Tour de France bike.

[guest29835]

But that's just the bike ride QC, he also has to change and cover his tracks the police may ask to look around?

Yes, I know.  Exactly.  I actually went over this with Adam and asked him to tell me the time Jeremy set out from the farmhouse back to Bourtree Cottage, taking into account that he (Adam claims) was staging calls.  I believe Adam ended up having to put the time back to 2.45 a.m., and even then it doesn't add up.  If Jeremy did it, he must have invented the call from Nevill.

[Adam]

But that's just the bike ride QC, he also has to change and cover his tracks the police may ask to look around?

That is a reason why he rang Chelmsford Police. To give him more time.

Obvious.

[guest29835]

Have to say both had advantages & disadvantages.

Bamber had lived & worked between the 2 locations for two decades & was in a hurry. Wilkinson apparently had a Tour de France bike.

Thanks Adam.  I still think Jeremy was training for the Tour de Yorkshire.