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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2022, 10:25:PM »
Hello everyone ,this is my JB scenario,and the problems he would have faced IF he was the perpetrator.We are told the most likely way he got to the farm was on his mothers bike possibly wearing a wet suit.Ok so he arrives at the farm having travelled about 3 miles ,sometimes over rough ground.His backside is numb and he is probably walking like hes had a toilet accident,i know from experience i would be anyway.So ,he composes himself and heads for the down stair toilet/shower room window.Bruce is barking but no one will bother about this,simply thinking he has heard a fox or something go past his shed door.JB jemmys the window and climbs in.Luckily no one is sitting on the toilet at the time.JB creeps through the house and retrieves the rifle.We are told it has ten bullets in the magazine and one in the breech.One each for the twins the rest for Nev and June upstairs.So JB creeps upstairs and heads for the twins bedroom.This is where his main obstacles start in my opinion.What does he do,is the door shut,does he open it quietly and creep over in the dark.What if he bumps into something and the boys waken up.does he use a torch to help,again they could waken up,What happens if they do hear him and put on a bedside lamp.Hes standing there in a wet suit,and they say-what on earth are you doing in our room at this time of night wearing a wet suit uncle Jeremy-.The voices may alert Nev/June.And worse ,what if hes wearing a mask,this would scare the living daylights out of them.They would definately scream their heads off alerting Nev/June.But we know the boys didnt wake up ,so JB must have been incredibly lucky and either put on the light and crept over to their beds or managed in the dark in some way.Let us note at this stage it would have been much easier for Sheila to enter the room and walk over to the twins without any suspicion whatsoever.She would hold the rifle behind her back,tell the boys she was checking on them and to go back to sleep.She could simply wait till they closed their eyes again,then bang.But So ,if we think about it for a moment ,the fact the boys did not move a muscle MUST be in JBs favour.But this is the JB scenario,so ok ,we must conclude he stealthily managed to creep up on them in some way and got an initial shot into each.We know roughly what happens next,he goes to Nev/Junes bedroom empties the rifle,Nev ends up in the kitchen and is beaten and shot to death.JB re-loads goes back upstairs and fires more bullets into June and the twins.Now ,the BIG obstacle,Sheila.JB had two choices ,shoot Sheila first out of the way or decide she was so weak,depressed,lethargic and drugged up she would pay no attention to the screams and mayhem going on as the massacre unfolded.Seeing there is no evidence she was shot first we must suspend belief slightly and conclude the latter to be true.So ,how does JB get Sheila to go through to his parents bedroom. wait for it.JBgoes into Sheilas room ,remarkably she hasnt stirred.JB tells her the racket she had heard was a party going on and that she is the star guest.He tells her she must put on a blind fold and be lead to her parents bedroom for a big surprise.And boy did she get one.JBleads her through tells her to lie down,aims ,and bang--bang.Job complete.Only ralatively minor problems left.He must hide the silencer in the gun cupboard without leaving any forensic evidence,ie no blood stains on the cupboard and no blood,sugar or broken glass taken through to the office from his feet. Next he must somehow climb out of the kitchen window ,and manage to get the bottom and side catches firmly into place.Then finaly whatever attire he was wearing must be completely cleaned or disposed of,either on the way home or at his house.Again dodgy taking forensic evidence from the massacre home to his own house.One final thought,the Judge at JBs trial said,that no matter how JB got to the farm ,and how he entered and exited the house,while being of interest makes no real difference to the outcome of the case.Or words to that effect.So when does things begin to make a difference.What about how he managed to sneak up on the twins ,how did he manage to get Sheila to the bedroom.How many things can simply go unexplained in a satisfactory way before they do have an effect on this case.Thank you for reading.

Bamber confirmed he could enter/exit WHF through windows.

Julie knew he could bang it shut from outside. Who told her?
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2022, 10:29:PM »
Bamber confirmed he could enter/exit WHF through windows.

Julie knew he could bang it shut from outside. Who told her?
it was his childhood home, of course he would know every nook and cranny
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2022, 10:29:PM »
Thanks Snow that was interesting, you cover well some of the huge problems JB would have had to face and how easily something could have gone wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2022, 10:33:PM »
Thanks Snow that was interesting, you cover well some of the huge problems JB would have had to face and how easily something could have gone wrong.

Things did go wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2022, 10:33:PM »
it was his childhood home, of course he would know every nook and cranny

Agree.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2022, 10:37:PM »
Interesting whether he turned the bedroom lights on prior to shooting. Probably better he did that.

Or he could turn the hallway light on & the light coming in from there was enough for him in the bedrooms. As just said by another poster, he would know every nook & cranny of WHF.
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2022, 10:48:PM »
Things did go wrong.

Such as Adam? The Police never suspected anything?
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2022, 10:53:PM »
Such as Adam?

Nevill waking & getting downstairs.

Sheila needing two shots.

Bamber not cleaning the silencer.

Reloads needed. If he was going for an 11 shot massacre.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2022, 10:55:PM »
Such as Adam? The Police never suspected anything?

No? So that's why he's in prison.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2022, 10:58:PM »
Nevill waking & getting downstairs.

Sheila needing two shots.

Bamber not cleaning the silencer.

Reloads needed. If he was going for an 11 shot massacre.

Ok but none of this caused the Police to be suspicious, as for the silencer we all know that this was planted to beef up the evidence don't we Adam. You are a guilter but you can be honest you know?



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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2022, 10:59:PM »
No? So that's why he's in prison.

Because he put an advert in the local paper saying what he was going to do, have you not read QC's posts lately?

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2022, 11:00:PM »
I thought Anthony swore he had never seen the rifle with the sights or the silencer detatched,yet you say JB put the silencer back in the usual place.How can this be if the silencer was never off.Which is it Adam

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2022, 11:02:PM »
The following is the scenario of 'snow66!' edited into paragraphs (I have made no other edits.  It is reproduced 'as is').  Let me stress this is NOT my scenario.  Please direct all comments at its author, not myself.

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Hello everyone ,

this is my JB scenario,and the problems he would have faced IF he was the perpetrator.  We are told the most likely way he got to the farm was on his mothers bike possibly wearing a wet suit.  Ok so he arrives at the farm having travelled about 3 miles ,sometimes over rough ground.  His backside is numb and he is probably walking like hes had a toilet accident, i know from experience i would be anyway.  So ,he composes himself and heads for the down stair toilet/shower room window. 

Bruce is barking but no one will bother about this,  simply thinking he has heard a fox or something go past his shed door.  JB jemmys the window and climbs in.  Luckily no one is sitting on the toilet at the time.  JB creeps through the house and retrieves the rifle.  We are told it has ten bullets in the magazine and one in the breech.  One each for the twins the rest for Nev and June upstairs.  So JB creeps upstairs and heads for the twins bedroom.  This is where his main obstacles start in my opinion.  What does he do, is the door shut, does he open it quietly and creep over in the dark.  What if he bumps into something and the boys waken up.  does he use a torch to help, again they could waken up, What happens if they do hear him and put on a bedside lamp. Hes standing there in a wet suit, and they say-what on earth are you doing in our room at this time of night wearing a wet suit uncle Jeremy-.The voices may alert Nev/June. And worse ,what if hes wearing a mask,this would scare the living daylights out of them. They would definately scream their heads off alerting Nev/June. But we know the boys didnt wake up ,so JB must have been incredibly lucky and either put on the light and crept over to their beds or managed in the dark in some way.

Let us note at this stage it would have been much easier for Sheila to enter the room and walk over to the twins without any suspicion whatsoever. She would hold the rifle behind her back, tell the boys she was checking on them and to go back to sleep. She could simply wait till they closed their eyes again, then bang. But So ,if we think about it for a moment ,the fact the boys did not move a muscle MUST be in JBs favour. But this is the JB scenario, so ok ,we must conclude he stealthily managed to creep up on them in some way and got an initial shot into each. We know roughly what happens next, he goes to Nev/Junes bedroom empties the rifle, Nev ends up in the kitchen and is beaten and shot to death. JB re-loads goes back upstairs and fires more bullets into June and the twins.

Now ,the BIG obstacle,Sheila. JB had two choices ,shoot Sheila first out of the way or decide she was so weak, depressed, lethargic and drugged up she would pay no attention to the screams and mayhem going on as the massacre unfolded. Seeing there is no evidence she was shot first we must suspend belief slightly and conclude the latter to be true. So ,how does JB get Sheila to go through to his parents bedroom. wait for it.

JBgoes into Sheilas room ,remarkably she hasnt stirred. JB tells her the racket she had heard was a party going on and that she is the star guest. He tells her she must put on a blind fold and be lead to her parents bedroom for a big surprise. And boy did she get one. JBleads her through tells her to lie down, aims ,and bang--bang. Job complete. Only ralatively minor problems left.

He must hide the silencer in the gun cupboard without leaving any forensic evidence, ie no blood stains on the cupboard and no blood, sugar or broken glass taken through to the office from his feet. Next he must somehow climb out of the kitchen window ,and manage to get the bottom and side catches firmly into place. Then finaly whatever attire he was wearing must be completely cleaned or disposed of, either on the way home or at his house. Again dodgy taking forensic evidence from the massacre home to his own house.

One final thought, the Judge at JBs trial said, that no matter how JB got to the farm ,and how he entered and exited the house, while being of interest makes no real difference to the outcome of the case. Or words to that effect. So when does things begin to make a difference. What about how he managed to sneak up on the twins ,how did he manage to get Sheila to the bedroom. How many things can simply go unexplained in a satisfactory way before they do have an effect on this case.

Thank you for reading.

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2022, 11:02:PM »
Ok but none of this caused the Police to be suspicious, as for the silencer we all know that this was planted to beef up the evidence don't we Adam. You are a guilter but you can be honest you know?

Some police were suspiscious straight away. Ditto the relatives. It wasn't long until an arrest.

Bamber used the silencer. It was a silent massacre attempt. He took it off & put it in it's usual place. Prior to burning Nevill's back. He was not aware of back spatter or the aga paint.

But appreciate supporters will say it was planted as the relatives found it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2022, 11:08:PM »
Some police were suspiscious straight away. Ditto the relatives. It wasn't long until an arrest.

Bamber used the silencer. It was a silent massacre attempt. He took it off & put it in it's usual place. Prior to burning Nevill's back. He was not aware of back spatter or the aga paint.

But appreciate supporters will say it was planted as the relatives found it.

They were suspicious but not because of the crime scene, but that they believed Sheila could not have done the crime?