Undisputed scenario for opening 9 bedroom shots.

[Adam]

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room. 

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

That is what the evidence suggests.

June 5 times, Nevill twice.

We did go through this yesterday.

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That is what the evidence suggests.

June 5 times, Nevill twice.

We did go through this yesterday.

LOL.

[Adam]

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room. 

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

That is what the evidence shows. He left the bedroom quickly. As you do.

Are you able to digest that?

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That is what the evidence shows. He left the bedroom quickly. As you do.

Are you able to digest that?

Clearly I disagree with you, so why don't you just accept that and move on, instead of posting the same stuff over and over and over again?

[Adam]

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room. 

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

He was out of bullets.

He caught up with him in the kitchen. A flat surface.

As the evidence shows.

[Adam]

Bamber enters bedroom around 2am - Undisputed.

Nevill and June are in their bed attire - Undisputed.

Nevill and June are in bed asleep - Undisputed.

Bamber opens fire from June's side of the bed - Undisputed.

June is shot 5 times in bed - Undisputed.

Nevill wakes as June is being shot & starts to get out of bed - Undisputed.

Bamber fires two close range shots into Nevill's face as he is getting out of bed - Undisputed.

Nevill stands up & moves away from the bed - Undisputed.

Bamber shoots Nevill twice in the torso from feet away - Undisputed.

Nevill exits the main bedroom - Undisputed.

Anyway this straight forward scenario matches the evidence.

I did invite Rob yesterday to provide an alternative scenario.

Where Nevill gets shot twice in the face from inches away & twice in the torso from feet away. While simultaneously avoiding a physical bedroom confronration.

I got no response. Invitation open to everyone.

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Anyway this straight forward scenario matches the evidence.

I did invite Rob yesterday to provide an alternative scenario.

Where Nevill gets shot twice in the face from inches away & twice in the torso from feet away. While simultaneously avoiding a physical bedroom confronration.

I got no response. Invitation open to everyone.

Anyway my straightforward scenarios matches the evidence.

I did invite Adam yesterday to provide an alternative scenario but he keeps saying that Nevill can be shot without leaving blood anywhere and that June can walk around the bedroom after being shot in the head.  There's no helping some people. 

I got no response. Invitation open to everyone.

[Adam]

Anyway my straightforward scenarios matches the evidence.

I did invite Adam yesterday to provide an alternative scenario but he keeps saying that Nevill can be shot without leaving blood anywhere and that June can walk around the bedroom after being shot in the head.  There's no helping some people. 

I got no response. Invitation open to everyone.

Thought David is saying she walked. I've never said it.

However the evidence does show June was shot 5 times in bed. Then moved across the bedroom & back again. Then shot twice more.

Always assumed she crawled. But don't mind alternative sources.

[Adam]

Anyway my straightforward scenarios matches the evidence.

I did invite Adam yesterday to provide an alternative scenario but he keeps saying that Nevill can be shot without leaving blood anywhere and that June can walk around the bedroom after being shot in the head.  There's no helping some people. 

I got no response. Invitation open to everyone.

All in the thread post. Have you not read it?

[Adam]

There is -

Undisputed crime scene evidence. Online for 20+ years.

A straight forward scenario which matches the crime scene evidence.

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Yet people refuse to accept the scenario.

Talk about flogging a dead horse.

[guest29835]

Thought David is saying she walked. I've never said it.

However the evidence does show June was shot 5 times in bed. Then moved across the bedroom & back again. Then shot twice more.

Always assumed she crawled. But don't mind alternative sources.

I have read your thread post, and referred to it earlier in the thread.

If June was shot five times in bed, she's staying in bed - in my layman's opinion.  Especially if she is shot in the head.

In view of the layout of the main bedroom, if Nevill is shot in or as he is getting out of bed, he will leave blood on the bed clothes and will either tackle Jeremy there and then, or Jeremy will block him, or both.  Jeremy is in his way.  And if Jeremy shoots him in the upper head region at this stage, you can multiple the probabilities that he is not making it out of that bedroom.

I don't find your scenario very plausible (which is not to say it isn't happen - I accept it is possible).

[Adam]

I have read your thread post, and referred to it earlier in the thread.

If June was shot five times in bed, she's staying in bed - in my layman's opinion.  Especially if she is shot in the head.

In view of the layout of the main bedroom, if Nevill is shot in or as he is getting out of bed, he will leave blood on the bed clothes and will either tackle Jeremy there and then, or Jeremy will block him, or both.  Jeremy is in his way.

I don't find your scenario very plausible (which is not to say it isn't happen - I accept it is possible).

Well the evidence shows she moved. As Nevill did.

[Adam]

I have read your thread post, and referred to it earlier in the thread.

If June was shot five times in bed, she's staying in bed - in my layman's opinion.  Especially if she is shot in the head.

In view of the layout of the main bedroom, if Nevill is shot in or as he is getting out of bed, he will leave blood on the bed clothes and will either tackle Jeremy there and then, or Jeremy will block him, or both.  Jeremy is in his way.  And if Jeremy shoots him in the upper head region at this stage, you can multiple the probabilities that he is not making it out of that bedroom.

I don't find your scenario very plausible (which is not to say it isn't happen - I accept it is possible).

The evidence shows he was not in bed long enough to do that.

We have to accept the evidence.

[Adam]

I have read your thread post, and referred to it earlier in the thread.

If June was shot five times in bed, she's staying in bed - in my layman's opinion.  Especially if she is shot in the head.

In view of the layout of the main bedroom, if Nevill is shot in or as he is getting out of bed, he will leave blood on the bed clothes and will either tackle Jeremy there and then, or Jeremy will block him, or both.  Jeremy is in his way.  And if Jeremy shoots him in the upper head region at this stage, you can multiple the probabilities that he is not making it out of that bedroom.

I don't find your scenario very plausible (which is not to say it isn't happen - I accept it is possible).

The evidence shows that did not happen.

Everyone must accept the evidence.

[Adam]

I have read your thread post, and referred to it earlier in the thread.

If June was shot five times in bed, she's staying in bed - in my layman's opinion.  Especially if she is shot in the head.

In view of the layout of the main bedroom, if Nevill is shot in or as he is getting out of bed, he will leave blood on the bed clothes and will either tackle Jeremy there and then, or Jeremy will block him, or both.  Jeremy is in his way.  And if Jeremy shoots him in the upper head region at this stage, you can multiple the probabilities that he is not making it out of that bedroom.

I don't find your scenario very plausible (which is not to say it isn't happen - I accept it is possible).

The evidence shows Nevill was shot twice in the face & twice in the torso. In the main bedroom. He then exited.

Everyone has to accept the evidence.