Undisputed scenario for opening 9 bedroom shots.

[Adam]

Steve thinks that June was shot in the head while propped up in bed and she managed to get out of bed and move around, leaving a blood trail at the front of the bed.

How is it that June leaves blood but not Nevill?

You know why.

June was shot 5 times in bed. Then stayed there for several seconds or minutes.

[Adam]

Well Cc disagrees with you on this? Nevils only chance was to fight to the finish in the bedroom, it was his only chance. The rifle was empty or nearly empty plus JB would not let him anywhere near the phone.

I don't mind you having another scenario.

Just can't see Nevill being awake & stood up in the bedroom. Then letting Bamber put a rifle inches from his face & firing twice.

There would be a physical confrontation.

[killingeve]

Steve thinks that June was shot in the head while propped up in bed and she managed to get out of bed and move around, leaving a blood trail at the front of the bed.

How is it that June leaves blood but not Nevill?

The ballistics and pathological evidence make it crystal clear that Mrs Bamber was first shot in bed with her head on the pillow x 2 shots both of which entered and exited.   As she lifted herself out of bed she sustained 4 further gunshot wounds: 1x non-penetrating; 3 x entered and 1 exited.

Having sustained the 6 body shots, bloodstains to the carpet show she lifted herself out of bed and moved from her side of the bed to Mr Bamber's side and back to the door which leads to the hall.  She then sustained 2 further gunshot wounds to the head which rendered her incapable of voluntary movement thereafter.

I have explained numerous times that exit wounds produce far more blood than entry wounds:

Exit wounds, in comparison, are larger and more irregular. They show outward beveling of the soft tissue and the margin. Entry wounds will be free of characteristics, including flame burns and singeing, soiling and redding from gas, as well as tattooing from unburnt particles and metal scraps. They do not have an abrasion rim or grease collar, except when the skin is shored against a hard surface.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK556119/

[killingeve]

The ballistics and pathological evidence make it crystal clear that Mrs Bamber was first shot in bed with her head on the pillow x 2 shots both of which entered and exited.   As she lifted herself out of bed she sustained 4 further gunshot wounds: 1x non-penetrating; 3 x entered and 1 exited.

Having sustained the 6 body shots, bloodstains to the carpet show she lifted herself out of bed and moved from her side of the bed to Mr Bamber's side and back to the door which leads to the hall.  She then sustained 2 further gunshot wounds to the head which rendered her incapable of voluntary movement thereafter.

I have explained numerous times that exit wounds produce far more blood than entry wounds:

Exit wounds, in comparison, are larger and more irregular. They show outward beveling of the soft tissue and the margin. Entry wounds will be free of characteristics, including flame burns and singeing, soiling and redding from gas, as well as tattooing from unburnt particles and metal scraps. They do not have an abrasion rim or grease collar, except when the skin is shored against a hard surface.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK556119/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9nXeXqEho

[Roch]

The ballistics and pathological evidence make it crystal clear that Mrs Bamber was first shot in bed with her head on the pillow x 2 shots both of which entered and exited.   As she lifted herself out of bed she sustained 4 further gunshot wounds: 1x non-penetrating; 3 x entered and 1 exited.

Having sustained the 6 body shots, bloodstains to the carpet show she lifted herself out of bed and moved from her side of the bed to Mr Bamber's side and back to the door which leads to the hall.  She then sustained 2 further gunshot wounds to the head which rendered her incapable of voluntary movement thereafter.

I have explained numerous times that exit wounds produce far more blood than entry wounds:

Exit wounds, in comparison, are larger and more irregular. They show outward beveling of the soft tissue and the margin. Entry wounds will be free of characteristics, including flame burns and singeing, soiling and redding from gas, as well as tattooing from unburnt particles and metal scraps. They do not have an abrasion rim or grease collar, except when the skin is shored against a hard surface.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK556119/

None of the above can explain the marks on her chin and shins.

[killingeve]

None of the above can explain the marks on her chin and shins.

If by marks you mean bloodstains they're referred to in various docs.

[Roch]

If by marks you mean bloodstains they're referred to in various docs.

There needs to be an explanation how she got the bloodstains on her shins then and why they fell and clung in the manner that they did. So far, only David has attempted to do this by saying June walked. If that's the case, she would need to be doing the goose step. Also, bloodstains do not cause indentations in the skin. On the bruise on her chin, is an indentation in a straight line.

[lookout]

And finger indentations around her neck !

[guest29835]

You know why.

June was shot 5 times in bed. Then stayed there for several seconds or minutes.

Not what I meant.

What I am asking is: Putting aside the plausibility of June being able to move around at all after being shot in the head and several other places while still in bed, how come June leaves blood on the carpet but Nevill does not?

[Adam]

Not what I meant.

What I am asking is: Putting aside the plausibility of June being able to move around at all after being shot in the head and several other places while still in bed, how come June leaves blood on the carpet but Nevill does not?

Because June crawled and died on the carpet?

Nevill left the bedroom within seconds.

Simple.

[guest29835]

Because June crawled and died on the carpet?

Nevill left the bedroom within seconds.

Simple.

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room. 

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

[Adam]

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room.

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

Would be a wise move. Bamber was shooting him.

[Adam]

Let's say that a resolution of this problem depends on Nevill bolting from the room. 

Steve says that Jeremy shot June in the head while she was still in bed.  That means Jeremy needed to be stood at the foot of the bed, facing Nevill and June, and he would have been blocking Nevill's exit from the bedroom.

This also means that Jeremy must have shot June first, allowing Nevill to wake and escape, even though he had ample time to simply kill Nevill while he slept.  Jeremy was using a semi-automatic rifle and just needed to point the muzzle end at Nevill.  Nothing could be simpler.

Nevill has managed to get out of bed and past Jeremy, leaving no blood, despite being shot several times. 

If the transfer blood mark on the wall of the landing at the door of Sheila's bedroom is from Nevill, that means Nevill has run on the opposite direction of the stairs, then stopped and run to the stairs.  He has then only left one further transfer blood mark anywhere: on the wall of the first stair landing.  All this time, Jeremy has not fired on him or caught up with him.

Not really. The end of the bed did not go across the door.

Nice try.

[guest29835]

Would be a wise move. Bamber was shooting him.

It would be.  Equally, it could be a wise move to tackle him.  The problem is: Jeremy is stood in his way.  Did he just barge past him?

[guest29835]

Not really. The end of the bed did not go across the door.

Nice try.

You misunderstand.  The bed was perpendicular to the door.  To shoot June in the head to the upper right of her right ear, he would need to be stood at roughly a right angle to her.  I conclude he was stood at the foot of the bed.