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Offline Adam

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Re: Telecoms in 1985
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2022, 05:36:PM »
Agree with that.

The answering machine would have come on before Bamber woke.

Bamber would have said he had turned his answering machine off.

Alhough answering machines are on 24/7.
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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2022, 05:42:PM »
I first mentioned the answering machine years ago. And today in reply 9!
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« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2022, 06:09:PM »
I first mentioned the answering machine years ago. And today in reply 9!

Jeremy says he received the call from Nevill at roughly 3.10 a.m.

Susan Battersby claims it was 3.12 a.m. when Julie came into her room after the brief call from Jeremy.

If Jeremy is guilty:

(i). at what time do you say he called the answering machine at Bourtree Cottage from the farmhouse?
and,
(ii). at what time does he call Julie from Bourtree Cottage?

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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2022, 06:23:PM »
Agree with that.

The answering machine would have come on before Bamber woke.

Would depend on what delay JB had set the answer machine to, normally would be around 15-20 seconds ?

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« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2022, 06:32:PM »
Would depend on what delay JB had set the answer machine to, normally would be around 15-20 seconds ?

Did he even have an answering machine pre murder though? Unless it can be established then it's waste of my time imo to discuss.

I have head of this answering machine but he got it pro murders.   

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« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2022, 06:40:PM »
Did he even have an answering machine pre murder though? Unless it can be established then it's waste of my time imo to discuss.

I have head of this answering machine but he got it pro murders.


I've seen it claimed that he hadn't, on the grounds that, if he had, Ann would have seen it. I have no idea how such can be confirmed, however, as with most young men, they seem to enjoy gadgets, so as answering machines may have been one of the "must haves" at the time, it's reasonable to think he may have had one..............although not for the sole purpose of taking calls from his parents!!!

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« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2022, 06:50:PM »
Did he even have an answering machine pre murder though? Unless it can be established then it's waste of my time imo to discuss.

I have head of this answering machine but he got it pro murders.

Munksa,

If Jeremy is guilty, he must have at least one answering machine pre-murders, maybe two if he wants a 'clean' one for the murders that he then hides or destroys while he pretends his usual one was not switched-on that evening.

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« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2022, 06:54:PM »
Munksa,

If Jeremy is guilty, he must have at least one answering machine pre-murders, maybe two if he wants a 'clean' one for the murders that he then hides or destroys while he pretends his usual one was not switched-on that evening.

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« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2022, 06:58:PM »
No clue QC

He must have Munksa or JB cannot fake the call from WHF?

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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2022, 06:59:PM »
He must have Munksa or JB cannot fake the call from WHF?

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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2022, 06:59:PM »
No clue QC

Sorry, it would have to be the one answering machine.  The reason I am getting confused is because I have been looping together all the logical deductions and it gets convoluted and confusing. 

I now realise that he can't have planned the phone calls.  It follows that he had just the one answering machine and if he is guilty, that must have been switched on.  He has then opportunistically come up with the idea of the call on the hoof, then it goes as Adam says - he rings his own number, presses the hook switch down, leaves the handset off the hook, then takes the ladies push bike back.  He then unravels things at the other end by disposing of the answerphone tape or deleting the record on the phone digitally (hoping that there is no way for it to be recovered by forensic examination).  He rings Julie, then the police, etc., etc.

I accept all this is possible, but in order for it to be plausible I need a solution to the problem of timings.  Remember, he is making three calls:

- one to himself;
- one to Julie;
- one to the police.

How does he manage to keep the timings consistent, bearing in mind he is staging this on the assumption that there could be a traceable record at the telephone exchange of what he is doing? 

Specifically, this is what I asked Adam:

Jeremy says he received the call from Nevill at roughly 3.10 a.m.

Susan Battersby claims it was 3.12 a.m. when Julie came into her room after the brief call from Jeremy.

If Jeremy is guilty:

(i). at what time do you say he called the answering machine at Bourtree Cottage from the farmhouse?
and,
(ii). at what time does he call Julie from Bourtree Cottage?

Or do we say that he doesn't care about the timings of calls, he even invents the call from Nevill?  If so, what does he need the bike for?

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« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2022, 07:00:PM »
Munksa,

If Jeremy is guilty, he must have at least one answering machine pre-murders, maybe two if he wants a 'clean' one for the murders that he then hides or destroys while he pretends his usual one was not switched-on that evening.

Surely all he needed was a spare tape? I seem to think the early answer machines were like mini tape recorders.

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« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2022, 07:13:PM »
Sorry, it would have to be the one answering machine.  The reason I am getting confused is because I have been looping together all the logical deductions and it gets convoluted and confusing. 

I now realise that he can't have planned the phone calls.  It follows that he had just the one answering machine and if he is guilty, that must have been switched on.  He has then opportunistically come up with the idea of the call on the hoof, then it goes as Adam says - he rings his own number, presses the hook switch down, leaves the handset off the hook, then takes the ladies push bike back.  He then unravels things at the other end by disposing of the answerphone tape or deleting the record on the phone digitally (hoping that there is no way for it to be recovered by forensic examination).  He rings Julie, then the police, etc., etc.

I accept all this is possible, but in order for it to be plausible I need a solution to the problem of timings.  Remember, he is making three calls:

- one to himself;
- one to Julie;
- one to the police.

How does he manage to keep the timings consistent, bearing in mind he is staging this on the assumption that there could be a traceable record at the telephone exchange of what he is doing? 

Specifically, this is what I asked Adam:

Or do we say that he doesn't care about the timings of calls, he even invents the call from Nevill?  If so, what does he need the bike for?

Agreed! This is why I don't want to think of a scenario unless I am sure he definitely had one pre murders

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« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2022, 07:14:PM »
Surely all he needed was a spare tape? I seem to think the early answer machines were like mini tape recorders.

It depends on the model and type of machine used.  Do we know?

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« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2022, 07:16:PM »
Agreed! This is why I don't want to think of a scenario unless I am sure he definitely had one pre murders

I think you misunderstand.  I'm not arguing against scenarios, I merely say that it is confusing because we have to think in reverse about how he might have planned it.

My questions still stand.  At what times did he make the relevant calls?  Or do you say he simply invented the call from Nevill?