Ray Gilbert - the 40 year fight

[innocent]

Totally not true..Ray answered all he was asked but some kept going on and on despite being told that the questions would not be answered about one person

Your inability to understand does not make anyone else rude

Btw just because you demand doesn't mean you have the right to anything

Ray didn't sign up to this forum to be bullied by you and at your beck and call as and when you decide you DESERVE an answer

Simple really isn't it

Thank you Lily you are right .I came on here to discuss my situation not engage in tittle tattle over a issue that other people think they deserve answers to questions by demand

[guest29835]

Totally not true..Ray answered all he was asked but some kept going on and on despite being told that the questions would not be answered about one person

Your inability to understand does not make anyone else rude

Btw just because you demand doesn't mean you have the right to anything

Ray didn't sign up to this forum to be bullied by you and at your beck and call as and when you decide you DESERVE an answer

Simple really isn't it

This is false.  I have not bullied him.  I have asked him questions.  You just don't want to answer them and respond to me with this bossy, in your face attitude of, 'Why are you asking questions, laddie?  Eh, eh, eh?' That's the top and bottom of it.

Keep going because you're just helping reinforce what I have said.

[lilly15]

This is false.  I have not bullied him.  I have asked him questions.  You just don't want to answer them and respond to me with this bossy, in your face attitude of, 'Why are you asking questions, laddie?  Eh, eh, eh?' That's the top and bottom of it.

Keep going because you're just helping reinforce what I have said.

You are harder work than our puppy. Take responsibility for you actions and demands. Look at how you talk to others.

You are a bully.... you think you can wear people down til they do it all your way.

You have control issues.

[guest29835]

Thank you Lily you are right .I came on here to discuss my situation not engage in tittle tattle over a issue that other people think they deserve answers to questions by demand

So you're Ray Gilbert.  He's Resurrected!  Oh Lord!  Hallelujah!

This means all the dreary, teary-eyed twaddle about me driving you off the Forum isn't true, really.  It's interesting, too, that you've anonymised your screenhandle on here.

OK.  I'm not going to ask you any more questions or contribute further to this thread - you can spout your propaganda unhindered from me, the only proviso being that I will not allow you and your sidekick here to keep on prodding me.

We've both said our piece.  You've deleted yours and are now reinventing history, so to speak.  Very well.

[guest29835]

You are harder work than our puppy. Take responsibility for you actions and demands. Look at how you talk to others.

You are a bully.... you think you can wear people down til they do it all your way.

You have control issues.

Who has control issues?  You keep replying to me.  Look at yourself!  All I did was ask questions.  That's how this started.

[lilly15]

Who has control issues?  You keep replying to me.  Look at yourself!  All I did was ask questions.  That's how this started.

Hahaha oh dear you just cant see it. Why don't you make a thread in your own name then we can talk about you all night. You clearly need the attention




When you wonder how old someone really is 🤔

[guest29835]

Hahaha oh dear you just cant see it. Why don't you make a thread in your own name then we can talk about you all night. You clearly need the attention




When you wonder how old someone really is 🤔

You're still at it.

Keep going.

[Steve_uk]

''Please be patient' [`QCCevalier'] `Ray' has been 'severely traumatised' by the outcome of the police investigation(s) in 'whatever format'. These unscrupulous tactics, which were adopted by all the cops, were 'considered to be' by 'anybodies standards 'to be' 'a matter of interpretation'

I think this might be an explanation and I commend Mike for the post. QC is QC and is not going to change. I myself poo-pooed the radio interview for being a whitewash, but maybe the interviewer knew something we didn't know, which is why the subject was treated so gently. I would only say that no amount of money can compensate for 36 years' wrongful incarceration, but if this is the intention it will have to be proven on the balance of probabilities and Ray Gilbert sometime will have to face the tough questions akin to QC Chevalier's when he is ready so to do.

[lilly15]

I think this might be an explanation and I commend Mike for the post. QC is QC and is not going to change. I myself poo-pooed the radio interview for being a whitewash, but maybe the interviewer knew something we didn't know, which is why the subject was treated so gently. I would only say that no amount of money can compensate for 36 years' wrongful incarceration, but if this is the intention it will have to be proven on the balance of probabilities and Ray Gilbert sometime will have to face the tough questions akin to QC Chevalier's when he is ready so to do.

Thanks for the comment Steve.

Ray has no problem with the tough questions only things that can cause problems legally. Asking the same question  over and over won't change that.

As you say tough questions will be asked and Ray has been answering them for more than 40 years.

QC of course as you say will be QC.

Nothing can give back the 36 years but sadly as there was no evidence at all to convict there isn't much to challenge.

Maybe one day someone with a conscience who knows the true story will start to speak out. There is definitely a series of events that make no sense to build on.

[mike tesko]

I think this might be an explanation and I commend Mike for the post. QC is QC and is not going to change. I myself poo-pooed the radio interview for being a whitewash, but maybe the interviewer knew something we didn't know, which is why the subject was treated so gently. I would only say that no amount of money can compensate for 36 years' wrongful incarceration, but if this is the intention it will have to be proven on the balance of probabilities and Ray Gilbert sometime will have to face the tough questions akin to QC Chevalier's when he is ready so to do.

Please 'be reassured', that 'I have been a victim' of (a) multiple [intended] miscarriages of justice, during the period between 'December 1985 - to 2016'. Since then, I have not experienced any sort of (similar] treatment by the authorities, in whatever 'guise', but I have had issues, [involving, 'the powers that be', where 'although the systems heirachy' continued to 'persue with their campaign' to blame me 'for this', 'for that' or 'the other', that 'I have for one reason', or 'another', convinced the prosecution service, and magistrates [ in the lower court system of the criminal justice system, that 'the official case' alleged `against me' by 'despicable police narrative compilation artists' [public minded heroes] 'had' and 'did resort to untruths', surrounding 'the possibility', 'that I was involved' in 'the commissioning of', or that 'I was', 'an accomplice in a series of crimes', which 'I can categorically refute' that I had no involvement with [or in]

[mike tesko]

Please 'be reassured', that 'I have been a victim' of (a) multiple [intended] miscarriages of justice, during the period between 'December 1985 - to 2016'. Since then, I have not experienced any sort of (similar] treatment by the authorities, in whatever 'guise', but I have had issues), [involving, 'the powers that be', where 'although the systems heirachy' continued to 'persue with their campaign' to blame me 'for this', 'for that' or 'the other', that 'I have for one reason', or 'another'] convinced the prosecution service, and magistrates [ in the lower court of the criminal justice system], that 'the official case' alleged `against me' by 'despicable police narrative compilation artists' [public minded heroes] 'had' and 'did resort to untruths', surrounding 'the possibility', 'that I was involved' in 'the commissioning of', or that 'I was', 'an accomplice in a series of crimes', which 'I can categorically refute' that I had no involvement with [or in]

[lilly15]

Ray is talking about the CCRC and Empowering the Innocent.

If anyone has submitted their case to the CCRC and been unsuccessful, have a look and let them have the info.

https://youtu.be/YFu4-atQuCI

[lookout]

The CCRC should be scrapped once and for all. It's been said many times that " it's not fit for purpose " and it isn't.

As Michael Naughton says " when innocent victims are wrongly convicted the guilty perpetrator of the crime remains at liberty and as reality shows, to commit further crimes  ". Let the ETI flourish !

[lilly15]

The CCRC should be scrapped once and for all. It's been said many times that " it's not fit for purpose " and it isn't.

As Michael Naughton says " when innocent victims are wrongly convicted the guilty perpetrator of the crime remains at liberty and as reality shows, to commit further crimes  ". Let the ETI flourish !

Well said Lookout. Let's hope changes are coming. They are definitely much needed.