So how DID Jeremy 'Lure' Sheila To Her Death?

[Jane]

Many scenarios have been proffered, most rejected, but it remains fact that she moved from her bedroom to the master bedroom. Is it possible that JB told her that their father had called him to come over because June "had gone mad and got hold of the gun"? Whilst Sheila was unlikely to be catatonic, I think, woken from sleep and lethargic from medication, she'd have been unlikely, having experienced her mother's wrath, to have questioned what he said. If he'd told her June was threatening to kill the boys/holding them hostage, her entire focus would have been on saving them. He may well have already killed the rest of the family. All that was left was despatching Sheila.

[Roch]

Many scenarios have been proffered, most rejected, but it remains fact that she moved from her bedroom to the master bedroom. Is it possible that JB told her that their father had called him to come over because June "had gone mad and got hold of the gun"? Whilst Sheila was unlikely to be catatonic, I think, woken from sleep and lethargic from medication, she'd have been unlikely, having experienced her mother's wrath, to have questioned what he said. If he'd told her June was threatening to kill the boys/holding them hostage, her entire focus would have been on saving them. He may well have already killed the rest of the family. All that was left was despatching Sheila.

If Jerrmy shot Sheila, what would their respective positions be, as this was taking place?

[Jane]

If Jerrmy shot Sheila, what would their respective positions be, as this was taking place?

Accepting that bewilderment would have been her reaction, with fear and despair her dominant emotions, I might have expected to see Sheila on the floor, head on her knees and arms clasping them. JB may not even have had the gun in his hands at that point, he could have left it on the bed whilst persuading Sheila into a position conducive to enabling him to pick it up and shoot her. I do think he'd have kept talking to her. He may even have crouched down to floor level to cajole her. I don't think he'd have given her the opportunity for conversation.

[Armchair Detective]

For me, you have to imagine some unlikely events to conjure up a scenario for either of them to be the killer.

I've always thought that JB intended to shoot them all in their beds, leave the rifle on Sheila and voila but NB woke up and pushed past him as he opened fire in the bedroom. Perhaps Sheila was woken up by the commotion downstairs, went to investigate, saw her mother and was still dazed, wondering WTF was happening when JB came back up the stairs with a reloaded magazine.

JB was wearing a mask and simply stuck the gun under her chin, ordered a terrified Sheila to lie down and pulled the trigger. Horrified he has to pull the trigger again, he stages the scene, puts the open bible on her but it slides off, closing itself and producing the mirrored blood the court of appeal pointed out, he opens it again, perhaps it falls open to the same well read page and he takes off the silencer and leaves, flicking the V sign at his hated mother on the way out.

[Jane]

For me, you have to imagine some unlikely events to conjure up a scenario for either of them to be the killer.

I've always thought that JB intended to shoot them all in their beds, leave the rifle on Sheila and voila but NB woke up and pushed past him as he opened fire in the bedroom. Perhaps Sheila was woken up by the commotion downstairs, went to investigate, saw her mother and was still dazed, wondering WTF was happening when JB came back up the stairs with a reloaded magazine.

JB was wearing a mask and simply stuck the gun under her chin, ordered a terrified Sheila to lie down and pulled the trigger. Horrified he has to pull the trigger again, he stages the scene, puts the open bible on her but it slides off, closing itself and producing the mirrored blood the court of appeal pointed out, he opens it again, perhaps it falls open to the same well read page and he takes off the silencer and leaves, flicking the V sign at his hated mother on the way out.

That would certainly have been easier. However, he had to have Nevill downstairs in order for him to be seen to have been near the phone, the upstairs phone having been removed. The other way of looking at it is to think in reverse, ie, because Nevill escaped the bedroom the story had to change. He still had to get Sheila from her bedroom to the master bedroom. By telling her the twins were there, she'd have gone straight there, bypassing their bedroom.

[Armchair Detective]

That would certainly have been easier. However, he had to have Nevill downstairs in order for him to be seen to have been near the phone, the upstairs phone having been removed. The other way of looking at it is to think in reverse, ie, because Nevill escaped the bedroom the story had to change. He still had to get Sheila from her bedroom to the master bedroom. By telling her the twins were there, she'd have gone straight there, bypassing their bedroom.

Hmm possibly but I don't think having Nevill downstairs was part of the plan else he would have moved the casings from upstairs, maybe he was going to plug the spare phone back in the bedroom when he was done ( so many scenarios!) - perhaps, with his plans changed, he just woke Sheila and ordered her at gunpoint.

[lookout]

Why were the parents and children shot at so very much, but Sheila's injuries though fatal were extremely minimal in comparison, yet she'd have been the one with the most energy, to have ran to each phone and summoned help ?

[Jane]

Why were the parents and children shot at so very much, but Sheila's injuries though fatal were extremely minimal in comparison, yet she'd have been the one with the most energy, to have ran to each phone and summoned help ?

Suicides don't normally resort to using half a dozen shots to do the job.

[Adam]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10946.0.html

I have already done a poll on this.

Whatever situation Bamber found himself in with Sheila, he could deal with it. He had to.

[lookout]

Suicides don't normally resort to using half a dozen shots to do the job.

Right, you can't exactly shoot yourself that many times really, but why Sheila and not either of the parents ?

[Jane]

Right, you can't exactly shoot yourself that many times really, but why Sheila and not either of the parents ?

Her parents weren't meant to look as if they'd A) been shot by a competent marksman or B) had committed suicide. I don't believe it was ever intended for Sheila to be shot twice, but it had to be as the first shot didn't immediately kill her.

[lookout]

Her parents weren't meant to look as if they'd A) been shot by a competent marksman or B) had committed suicide. I don't believe it was ever intended for Sheila to be shot twice, but it had to be as the first shot didn't immediately kill her.

One of those shots occurred after she'd died.

[Jane]

One of those shots occurred after she'd died.

I'd trust what Vanezis said over the CT. Didn't two pathologists suggest movement MAY have been possible after the first shot, and was it not said that the first shot would have been fatal, but not immediately so?

[lookout]

I'd trust what Vanezis said over the CT. Didn't two pathologists suggest movement MAY have been possible after the first shot, and was it not said that the first shot would have been fatal, but not immediately so?

What it does tell me Jane is that she only gave herself one shot. Whatever happened after that remains to be seen, as JB was nowhere near.

[Jane]

What it does tell me Jane is that she only gave herself one shot. Whatever happened after that remains to be seen, as JB was nowhere near.

I believe someone once had her walking upstairs after having been shot once downstairs, clearly not taking into account that the shot had damaged her spine, making head/arm movement very painful. I dispute all that, naturally, but the dead don't walk, do they? I can't help but think that the CT will say anything which is favourable to JB. I'm inclined to think they say it, and put it out there without seeing if it holds water.