Time scale of massacre:

[Jane]

Let's not forget the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe one of the cases cited in their research was of a bank robber who had read that lemon juice could be used as invisible ink, so he applied the juice to his face, waved at the security camera and when he was soon arrested, he refused to believe that they could tell it was him!

Belief in oneself, and one's own capabilities, is, of course, paramount.  JB had such in spades. I have that pompous remark "That is for you to establish" ringing in my ears.

[Rob_]

Let's not forget the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe one of the cases cited in their research was of a bank robber who had read that lemon juice could be used as invisible ink, so he applied the juice to his face, waved at the security camera and when he was soon arrested, he refused to believe that they could tell it was him!

It's just that he did the hard bit, carried out the crime convinced the Police at least initially that it was suicide. Then he gives himself away by being incredibly stupid!

Also I don't think you can compare robbing a bank to committing five murders where there are only two possible suspects.

[Steve_uk]

It's just that he did the hard bit, carried out the crime convinced the Police at least initially that it was suicide. Then he gives himself away by being incredibly stupid!

Also I don't think you can compare robbing a bank to committing five murders where there are only two possible suspects.

No his hand was forced.

[Adam]

It's just that he did the hard bit, carried out the crime convinced the Police at least initially that it was suicide. Then he gives himself away by being incredibly stupid!

Also I don't think you can compare robbing a bank to committing five murders where there are only two possible suspects.

What are you referring to?

[Jane]

It's just that he did the hard bit, carried out the crime convinced the Police at least initially that it was suicide. Then he gives himself away by being incredibly stupid!

Also I don't think you can compare robbing a bank to committing five murders where there are only two possible suspects.

But it's only your opinion -which you have every right to- that he'd been "incredibly stupid". JB may have believed he'd been incredibly clever.

[Rob_]

But it's only your opinion -which you have every right to- that he'd been "incredibly stupid". JB may have believed he'd been incredibly clever.

Yes I agree Jane it's my opinion, putting the silencer in the cupboard was stupid beyond belief but that's my opinion. You may say well why not? Adam says it's not part of the crime scene? oh well.

[Jane]

Yes I agree Jane it's my opinion, putting the silencer in the cupboard was stupid beyond belief but that's my opinion. You may say well why not? Adam says it's not part of the crime scene? oh well.

I'm simply going by the circumstances, Rob. From his first moment of contact with police, JB had implied that -according to his father- his mentally ill and, thrown in for good measure, potentially suicidal sister had managed to get hold of a loaded gun. He spent a couple of hours outside with them, reinforcing this. Hardly surprising then, finding Sheila dead, with a gun draped across her, that they accepted what JB had said. Not only that, Taff Jones, he who must never be challenged, was equally convinced by JB's story. Who were they to gainsay it?
The above, in my opinion, is exactly why a 'finger tip' search wasn't made. It wasn't considered necessary. What suicide was going to use a silencer to shoot a family, then remove and HIDE it before taking their own life? Why would they even bother putting it away? Imagining a potential suicide's frustration when the realize that they can't finish the job with a silencer attached, wouldn't they be more likely to detach and toss it aside?
With the clarity of hindsight, I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to do, but I think we have to allow JB a moment of wobble here. SO close is he -indeed, just one shot away, perhaps- from attaining his goal, when it looks possible that he could fall at the last fence. What are his options? He could take it with him and throw it in the river, but how long would be before it was missed? At least if he placed it back in its box, it wouldn't arouse suspicion.
Adam isn't wrong in his claim that it wasn't part of the crime scene...................according to some, it was never part of murders, either.

[JackieD]

I'm simply going by the circumstances, Rob. From his first moment of contact with police, JB had implied that -according to his father- his mentally ill and, thrown in for good measure, potentially suicidal sister had managed to get hold of a loaded gun. He spent a couple of hours outside with them, reinforcing this. Hardly surprising then, finding Sheila dead, with a gun draped across her, that they accepted what JB had said. Not only that, Taff Jones, he who must never be challenged, was equally convinced by JB's story. Who were they to gainsay it?
The above, in my opinion, is exactly why a 'finger tip' search wasn't made. It wasn't considered necessary. What suicide was going to use a silencer to shoot a family, then remove and HIDE it before taking their own life? Why would they even bother putting it away? Imagining a potential suicide's frustration when the realize that they can't finish the job with a silencer attached, wouldn't they be more likely to detach and toss it aside?
With the clarity of hindsight, I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to do, but I think we have to allow JB a moment of wobble here. SO close is he -indeed, just one shot away, perhaps- from attaining his goal, when it looks possible that he could fall at the last fence. What are his options? He could take it with him and throw it in the river, but how long would be before it was missed? At least if he placed it back in its box, it wouldn't arouse suspicion.
Adam isn't wrong in his claim that it wasn't part of the crime scene...................according to some, it was never part of murders, either.

Totally WRONG as usual. Trying to mislead any new posters with a completely wrong narrative. Jeremy told the police about Sheila’s mental health problems which ANYONE else in Jeremy’s position would have done.

Are you incapable of telling the truth.

On being told his family were all dead Jeremy blamed the police (which would also fit with seeing movement in the farmhouse)

I suppose you are now going to MAKE UP another bizarre reason Jeremy blamed the police.

You questioned yesterday WHO is still interested in the case

The answer is plenty of people

Do not try to disrupt this forum with lies and mistruths. It’s an absolute disgrace

[Rob_]

I'm simply going by the circumstances, Rob. From his first moment of contact with police, JB had implied that -according to his father- his mentally ill and, thrown in for good measure, potentially suicidal sister had managed to get hold of a loaded gun. He spent a couple of hours outside with them, reinforcing this. Hardly surprising then, finding Sheila dead, with a gun draped across her, that they accepted what JB had said. Not only that, Taff Jones, he who must never be challenged, was equally convinced by JB's story. Who were they to gainsay it?
The above, in my opinion, is exactly why a 'finger tip' search wasn't made. It wasn't considered necessary. What suicide was going to use a silencer to shoot a family, then remove and HIDE it before taking their own life? Why would they even bother putting it away? Imagining a potential suicide's frustration when the realize that they can't finish the job with a silencer attached, wouldn't they be more likely to detach and toss it aside?
With the clarity of hindsight, I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to do, but I think we have to allow JB a moment of wobble here. SO close is he -indeed, just one shot away, perhaps- from attaining his goal, when it looks possible that he could fall at the last fence. What are his options? He could take it with him and throw it in the river, but how long would be before it was missed? At least if he placed it back in its box, it wouldn't arouse suspicion.
Adam isn't wrong in his claim that it wasn't part of the crime scene...................according to some, it was never part of murders, either.

The Police are not easily fooled Jane, I know they totally messed up this case, but someone who has just shot five people would have given their gilt away long before the police had even entered the house.

I still don't think a silencer was even used that night, if it was JB it would just be a hinderance at close quarters and if it was Sheila she would have just grabbed the gun and used it as it was.

[Jane]

The Police are not easily fooled Jane, I know they totally messed up this case, but someone who has just shot five people would have given their gilt away long before the police had even entered the house.

I still don't think a silencer was even used that night, if it was JB it would just be a hinderance at close quarters and if it was Sheila she would have just grabbed the gun and used it as it was.

So you think Sheila, having shot the family, would have taken the silencer off, and put it back in its box -at the back of a cupboard!- before shooting herself? Would not her "'guilt'" have been made obvious by the fact that she was wearing -indeed, almost clutching!- the weapon she'd used?

[lookout]

That silencer had been replaced by someone else, knowing that the onus of the tragedy would fall on JB.

[Jane]

That silencer had been replaced by someone else, knowing that the onus of the tragedy would fall on JB.

"Replaced" suggests it had been somewhere other. Is that what you mean, OR do you mean it had actually never moved from where it was found?

[lookout]

"Replaced" suggests it had been somewhere other. Is that what you mean, OR do you mean it had actually never moved from where it was found?

Yes Jane, I firmly believe that it had been elsewhere within the vicinity of the kitchen, butlers pantry before being put away. It's an easy enough conclusion to come to really, though I'd have used the word----planted.

[Jane]

Yes Jane, I firmly believe that it had been elsewhere within the vicinity of the kitchen, butlers pantry before being put away. It's an easy enough conclusion to come to really, though I'd have used the word----planted.

I guess it comes down to interpretation. I'd have been more inclined to call it "planted" had it been more easily 'discovered'. To me, its location in the place it was found suggests it was either hidden deliberately or never used.

[lookout]

I guess it comes down to interpretation. I'd have been more inclined to call it "planted" had it been more easily 'discovered'. To me, its location in the place it was found suggests it was either hidden deliberately or never used.

It wasn't hidden enough not to have been found, if you understand what I mean. A very amateurish way of wanting to pin a crime on someone. It was made to look as though it had been used.