Time scale of massacre:

[Steve_uk]

You've put the rifle in two places. Was that a Freudian slip based upon the disagreement behind the scenes?

Sorry bible.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, there was a gun dog present with one of the officers and the animal would certainly have sniffed out gun residue on JB, even from underneath fingernails but the dog wasn't interested in him so no matter what clothes were worn or how many showers JB had, there'd have been a trace somewhere on his person to pick up on---but there wasn't, because he hadn't been involved.

I'm not sure it was a sniffer dog as such.

[Adam]

Trudy's absence or removal speaks volumes. She's realized he's guilty and like Julie was strung along.

Yes.

[Adam]

Can you explain why he rings Julie then waits 15 minutes or so before ringing Police:

3.15:

Ring Julie.


3.26/36:

Ring Chelmsford Police.


There is no need to delay in this scenario? and can you explain why he does not simply dial 999? why does he make himself look suspicious?

I said earlier he may have rang Julie at 3am. There are a lot of conflicting times from when he rang Julie. Even Bamber kept flip flopping over whether it was before or after the police.



He may have rang Julie then had a gap before ringing Chelmsford Police because he still had cleaning up to do. Or wanted to compose himself. Or wanted some food. It was going to be a long day.

[Adam]

Can you explain why he rings Julie then waits 15 minutes or so before ringing Police:

3.15:

Ring Julie.


3.26/36:

Ring Chelmsford Police.


There is no need to delay in this scenario? and can you explain why he does not simply dial 999? why does he make himself look suspicious?

You would have to ask Bamber why he phoned Chelmsford Police. Although he did eventually give a reason.

Suspect he thought a police car despatched from Chelmsford is more likely to pick him up.

[Adam]

He can't know this Steve. Nor could he know in advance that he wouldn't receive a single injury while carrying out the killings. He also can't know in advance that Julie will stay quiet, if he allows their relationship to end.

He was prepared to take the risks.

It is what criminals do.

[Adam]

Steve, there was a gun dog present with one of the officers and the animal would certainly have sniffed out gun residue on JB, even from underneath fingernails but the dog wasn't interested in him so no matter what clothes were worn or how many showers JB had, there'd have been a trace somewhere on his person to pick up on---but there wasn't, because he hadn't been involved.

A gun dog?

Is that in case the police didn't see the rifle laying across Sheila?

[lookout]

I'm not sure it was a sniffer dog as such.

I'd read somewhere that it was.

[Rob_]

He was prepared to take the risks.

It is what criminals do.

The way he carried on he knew he was going to get caught, it was not a risk it was a certainty!

[Adam]

The way he carried on he knew he was going to get caught, it was not a risk it was a certainty!

Yes he did make mistakes. Before, during & afterwards.

It's what criminals do. Espescially inexperienced ones.

[Rob_]

Yes he did make mistakes. Before, during & afterwards.

It's what criminals do. Espescially inexperienced ones.

No criminals only commit crimes if they think they will get away with it.

[Jane]

No criminals only commit crimes if they think they will get away with it.

You may be missing Adam's point. It may be inevitable that novice criminals make mistakes, but I'll bet they go into it believing it will go like clockwork.

[Rob_]

You may be missing Adam's point. It may be inevitable that novice criminals make mistakes, but I'll bet they go into it believing it will go like clockwork.

I don't think I am missing Adam's point Jane, sure criminals make mistakes, but they don't take undue risks.

[Jane]

I don't think I am missing Adam's point Jane, sure criminals make mistakes, but they don't take undue risks.

I have no argument with that, Rob, but what might look like a breeze to one, could look like an undue risk for another. I suspect, when we contemplate the risk we know that JB was taking, we may be measuring it against our own parameters, ie I wouldn't have risked walking along the sea-wall because it narrows in places.

[Armchair Detective]

I have no argument with that, Rob, but what might look like a breeze to one, could look like an undue risk for another. I suspect, when we contemplate the risk we know that JB was taking, we may be measuring it against our own parameters, ie I wouldn't have risked walking along the sea-wall because it narrows in places.

Let's not forget the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe one of the cases cited in their research was of a bank robber who had read that lemon juice could be used as invisible ink, so he applied the juice to his face, waved at the security camera and when he was soon arrested, he refused to believe that they could tell it was him!